Ep 403: Gym Girlies Are Whores Now?
SARAH: Hey, what's up? Hello! Welcome to Sounds Fake But Okay, a podcast where an aro-ace girl (I'm Sarah, that's me.)
KAYLA: And a bi-demisexual girl (that's me, Kayla.)
SARAH: Talk about all things to do with love, relationships, sexuality, and pretty much anything else we just don't understand.
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BOTH: Sounds fake, but okay.
SARAH: Welcome back to the slut pod.
KAYLA: Oh, just a couple of sluts.
SARAH: You know me.
KAYLA: Two of the internet's most renowned sluts.
SARAH: Exactly. Hello, everyone. Remember how two weeks ago I was sick, and then last week I wasn't sick?
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: This week…
KAYLA: Guess what?
SARAH: I am sick.
KAYLA: You'll never believe it.
SARAH: And it's the same sickness. But worse? Perhaps. More symptoms.
KAYLA: Mm. I refuse to believe it's just a cold. Sarah keeps being here saying it's just a cold, I disagree.
SARAH: I had to take… I've been working from home; I had to take a strategic two-and-a-half-hour nap today. And then I accidentally took a nap just before this when I was supposed to be finishing my work day, I accidentally had nap time.
KAYLA: Well, you're sick, it's okay.
SARAH: Yeah. My coworker was back in the office today for the first time after having the stomach flu.
KAYLA: Mm, good.
SARAH: She did not rest the whole day, she worked up to like 4 or something.
KAYLA: Oh, no. Oh, no.
SARAH: So, I'm not feeling energetic…
KAYLA: That’s why
SARAH: Blame the air, there's stuff in it.
KAYLA: There's stuff, there's germs in it.
SARAH: And I got it. It seems like this Fall people are getting sick even more than usual.
KAYLA: I agree, I've been around a lot of sick people.
SARAH: I had two people call out sick to my birthday.
KAYLA: Bitches!
SARAH: Me and my coworker were sick with different things at the same time. People are getting COVID; it's crazy. Anyway. It's El Niño, it's coming for us all.
KAYLA: Is it?
SARAH: It is El Niño, actually.
KAYLA: Oh. I don't think we have that here.
SARAH: I think it's everywhere, but it just doesn't affect you in the same way that it affects us here.
KAYLA: Yeah. I don't really ever hear anyone talking about it.
SARAH: People keep talking about it this year, I don't know.
KAYLA: El Niño and the big one. All those things you have to worry about out there.
SARAH: Right.
KAYLA: Do you think about the big one a lot? Are you worrying about the big one?
SARAH: No.
KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: People are worrying about El Niño and preparing for it. And I'm like, I mean, if I die…
KAYLA: Sarah?! No, no, no, no, no!
SARAH: I am not nearly as afraid about natural disasters as I should be.
KAYLA: Um, yeah, maybe.
SARAH: I think this is because I grew up in Michigan where the only natural disasters we have are tornadoes, and tornadoes look cool. So, when you hear there's a tornado, you don't go to the basement, you go outside to look at it.
KAYLA: I also think… like, tornadoes can cause a lot of destruction, but I don't think you often hear about people dying from them. Obviously, it happens, but I don't think you hear about it a lot.
SARAH: My sister-in-law's grandma's siblings died in a tornado.
KAYLA: Well, never mind! Never mind!
SARAH: But the scale of destruction with a tornado…
KAYLA: Sure, it is not going to be anywhere close…
SARAH: Is typically less.
KAYLA: Yeah, to a hurricane or something like that.
SARAH: Yeah. Or like an earthquake if a bunch of buildings collapse.
KAYLA: Like the big one.
SARAH: Like the big one. So, I'm not as prepared as I should be about anything.
KAYLA: Well…
SARAH: I still haven't figured out if you're supposed to go into a doorframe or you're not supposed to go into a doorframe for hurricanes. Sorry, for earthquakes.
KAYLA: For earthquakes. Yeah, I've never quite understood the guidance.
SARAH: It's confusing.
KAYLA: About what you're supposed to do.
SARAH: And every time I talk to a native Californian about it, they're like, I don't know.
KAYLA: Well, because you're supposed to go under some things, but then not under other things.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Yeah, I don't know.
SARAH: Tornadoes, it is straightforward.
KAYLA: It's so easy. Go to the basement.
SARAH: Go to the basement or if you don't have a basement, go to the lowest… to the ground room with no windows.
KAYLA: With no windows. Basically, go sit in the bathtub.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Easy.
SARAH: Anyway. Kayla…
KAYLA: Earthquake experts, let us know, what are we supposed to do?
SARAH: Yeah. And then hurricanes, just pray, I guess, I don’t know
KAYLA: I think you leave. When I was near a hurricane, when I lived in the South, we drove for like 10 hours to Michigan, we just left the region completely.
SARAH: I do recall it. Kayla, what are we talking about this week?
KAYLA: This week I was eating dinner with Dean and I said, Dean, what should I talk about today? And he was like, I don't know, current events? And I was like, what’s current events? And he was like, Shane Gillis? So here we are.
SARAH: And so, then I asked Kayla, I said, what? And she said, Shane Gillis.
KAYLA: Shane Gillis?
SARAH: And I said, I haven't even watched the video.
KAYLA: What?
SARAH: So, she made me watch it.
KAYLA: Okay, what did you say? He's in the room.
DEAN: I said gym outfits.
KAYLA: Oh, sorry, he said gym outfits, not Shane Gillis. For what we should discuss, but it's the same thing.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Anything else you'd like to say?
DEAN: Whores
KAYLA: He said whores.
SARAH: Oh, okay.
KAYLA: So
SARAH: Kayla made me watch... So, Shane Gillis was hosting us and now he did a monologue that people are just pleased with.
KAYLA: Yes
SARAH: Kayla made me watch it on Zoom.
KAYLA: Yep
SARAH: How would you describe my reaction to it?
KAYLA: Well, it was very sad. I was playing games on my phone and every so often I would look up to be like, is she still there? And it was, I couldn't even tell... I was like, I wonder if they're watching it or just like got distracted by something because it was just the blankest face I've ever seen.
SARAH: I just… at the very end when he was like, our musical guest this week is Rosalia. And my first thought was, I feel so bad for Rosalia.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: That this is the host when she's on SNL.
KAYLA: It's pretty tough.
SARAH: I bet she supports women wearing whatever they want to the gym.
KAYLA: Perhaps she does.
SARAH: I mean, some of the SNL female cast members have been lightly clapping back, so.
KAYLA: I have not seen that.
SARAH: Anyway, let's talk about it.
KAYLA: So, SNL is a sketch comedy…
SARAH: Saturday Night Live.
KAYLA: Yes, Saturday Night Live is an American… Now there's a UK version.
SARAH: They have it in the UK now
KAYLA: Which seems very funny, their weekend update slaps; I see the clips a lot. They're saying things that they would never let someone on NBC say.
SARAH: Mm-mm
KAYLA: No, they let them say things over there.
SARAH: We're not allowed to say anything.
KAYLA: No, truly.
SARAH: Freedom of speech? Who is she?
KAYLA: Not here. Yeah, so he was the host of SNL this weekend, this past weekend.
SARAH: He's a purported alleged comedian.
KAYLA: They say he's a comedian.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: And the host of SNL...
SARAH: He looks like a comedian, he looks like... he's giving Lucy Gay.
KAYLA: That's so mean; he looks like a comedian. He does.
SARAH: There are a lot of comedians who look great. He doesn't look anything like John Mulaney. Well, I guess John Mulaney looks less like a comedian, I think.
KAYLA: He looks like, when you think of a white man comedian, that's it.
SARAH: This is this man.
KAYLA: That's him. Yes, so the hosts of SNL will do a monologue in the beginning. They'll do one sketch to cold open the show. And then the guest… or the host will come out and they'll do a monologue and be like, oh, yay, great show, we got this person as a musical guest, whatever.
SARAH: If the person themselves is not a comedian, it will be written for them.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, by the writers of SNL. But if they're a comedian, they will kind of let them do their stand up.
KAYLA: Yeah. Usually, they do... like, if it's a stand up like him, they'll do a 10-minute stand up set or whatever.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: So that's what he did, allegedly, is what he was claiming to have done was comedy.
SARAH: Right. So, I first heard about this in the context of him talking about what women wear to the gym.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: Watching it just now… that's actually a pretty short section.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I have complaints about all of them.
KAYLA: Oh yeah, there's a lot of other not great stuff in there, yeah.
SARAH: The only thing that was almost funny at the very end, he had a bit about how he's balding in a way that gives him hair that looks like Hitler.
KAYLA: Mm, yeah
SARAH: And it would have been funny until he threw homophobia in there.
KAYLA: Yeah, there was a lot of homophobia going around in what he said.
SARAH: Because he was like, well, if I fix it like this, I look like Hitler, if I fix it like this, I look gay. And I'm like, what are you talking about?
KAYLA: There were several gay jokes throughout the set.
SARAH: Oh, quite a few.
KAYLA: And I was like, I don't think we're doing that anymore.
SARAH: A lot of gay jokes, a lot of fat jokes.
KAYLA: Yeah, which like was kind of… because he was talking about himself being fat. So, it was like, okay, kind of, but it also just felt sad.
SARAH: He's talking about himself being fat and going to the gym and feeling bad looking at all the other New York gay men working out, which like, I understand.
KAYLA: Which is like a true thing, but he said it… not good.
SARAH: Well, and he's talking about being fat like he's on My 600-lb Life; this guy has a bit of a belly.
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KAYLA: Right, yeah, I would say he's an average American.
SARAH: Yeah, and he also referred to his sisters as big and fat.
KAYLA: Oh, I hated that. Yeah, at the end, he does a bit about his sisters… Actually, that… one of the lines… ugh, I forget what he said. What was it he said his sister said? It was like, his sister called him like pussy hips or something.
SARAH: Something hips, it was…
KAYLA: Yeah, that was the part that I actually laughed at in the whole set, it was the insult that his sister said about him. I was like, see, that's comedy, that was funny. But he called his sisters big fat bitches, like fat ass bitches. I was like, I don't think you should do that. I don't think we should do that, and on TV.
SARAH: He said bitch hips.
KAYLA: Bitch hips, she called him bitch hips. And I was like, that's funny, because what is that?
SARAH: And it's funny because he's offended by it.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Like, if someone were to call me bitch hips, I would be like…
KAYLA: I’d be like, thank you!
SARAH: What?
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: But it's funny because he was offended by it.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And because it was said by a woman to a man.
KAYLA: Yeah. That was the funniest part of the show; I heard that and I said, oh, she's funny.
SARAH: She's funny.
KAYLA: I don’t know what you're doing.
SARAH: Yeah. Also, I thought it was… I was amused by the fact that like, clearly some of the audience was on board with this, but…
KAYLA: Very few of the audience.
SARAH: Not a lot.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And so, he already had a dwindling portion of the audience on board with this, because the audience for SNL is not big. They do have a live audience, but it is not large.
KAYLA: Yeah. They're usually good though, like, I don't think it's ever a cold audience.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: People are excited to be there, they're ready to have fun. I’ve never seen an audience…
SARAH: Yeah. Like, it's not easy… it's not just like you can walk in and just be like, I would like to be in the audience today. Like, you usually have to like wait in lines and like get on whatever.
KAYLA: Yeah, I've never seen an audience that cold ever in SNL.
SARAH: No. And he already didn't really have them. And then he said, my friend, Joe Rogan.
KAYLA: Right, early in the set too.
SARAH: And then he lost whatever of the audience he still had with him.
KAYLA: And he said, my friend, Joe Rogan and there was kind of a pause, like he was expecting.
SARAH: Like people to like cheer or something?
KAYLA: Also, about this set, my friend Laura is a really big fan of the comedian Gianmarco.
SARAH: Mm-hmm. Gianmarco Soresi.
KAYLA: Yes. And she was at a comedy show in Seattle a couple of weeks ago and it was like multiple comedians, but Gianmarco was the headliner. And so, she was so excited, they watched all the other comedians, they were like, fine. And then Gianmarco came up, he did maybe 10 or 20 minutes of his set. And then was like, all right, I'm going to be done. Like we have a special guest, whatever; Shane Gillis. Oh no, this is when she was visiting New York, this was in New York. Shane Gillis was just like in town. And when comedians like that are in town, they just like go into clubs. And they're like, oh, I feel like doing my set or whatever. So, he did that exact set. So, first of all, cut Gianmarco off, so my friend was so sad.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And then did that exact set at the show she was at. And she was just like, yeah, I saw Shane Gillis, he did a set, it was terrible, blah, blah, blah. And then he did it again.
SARAH: He said, this is perfect for SNL.
KAYLA: He said, I've done it.
SARAH: This other New York audience really loved it.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So. I'm really curious… I want to know how Gianmarco Soresi felt about that because...
KAYLA: Oh, probably terrible, right? Like…
SARAH: Like, I wish... I assume it was over after Shane Gillis came on, but I wish Gianmarco could have come back on…
KAYLA: Can you imagine?
SARAH: And then done like five or 10 minutes about what just happened.
KAYLA: I know, yeah. Well, especially that set, too. Like, thinking about the fact that it was that set, ugh, yeah.
SARAH: And these are people here to see Gianmarco who has a very different audience.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Because like I see clips of him all the time, he's great.
KAYLA: Yeah, I also don't know, because it's a New York comedy club, so it's like, I don't know how many people were there to see Gianmarco versus just like, oh, it's a night out, you're going to the comedy club.
SARAH: That’s true, they might just be there to see comedy
KAYLA: Like, it's more of just a bigger scene there so you can kind of just wander in. So, I don't know.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: But yeah, I know my friend was so upset.
SARAH: Two very different brands of white guys.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Straight white guys. I mean, Gianmarco is like gay by association, but he is straight.
KAYLA: He's shockingly straight, yeah. A surprise to us all, perhaps.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Yeah, so, sorry. Anyway, he starts off with the Joe Rogan thing, crickets in the audience…
SARAH: And then mentions Theo Von.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: Who called him a wet egg.
KAYLA: A wet egg.
SARAH: Because he was sitting in the sauna.
KAYLA: I mean, that part was like, yeah, you do kind of look like a wet egg.
SARAH: Fuck Theo Von, but like, maybe accurate.
KAYLA: Yeah. You know?
SARAH: For those who don't know, Theo Von and Joe Rogan are right-wing influencers.
KAYLA: Yeah, they're stinky bad.
SARAH: Joe Rogan used to be, back in the day before he became evil, he was the host of Fear Factor.
KAYLA: True. And he is a UFC commentator, which is I think where things went downhill.
SARAH: Yeah, that sounds about right. And then he became evil.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Sometimes he says somewhat reasonable things, but most of the time he does not.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, he has turned on Trump a little bit.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But not enough.
KAYLA: I think he's one of those people that I think he's just a grifter. Like to me, he doesn't seem like an idiot.
SARAH: Oh, yeah, no.
KAYLA: Like, I think he's smart in there, he just knows where the money is and it's being a right-winger.
SARAH: Yeah. And Theo Von I don't know as much about, but I know that he's a right-winger.
KAYLA: I need to look him up, I know that name, but I can't picture his face.
SARAH: Me too, I can't picture his face. Everyone was like, oh, the impression you did of Theo Von is… oh, eww, eww.
KAYLA: Oh, that's… I don't… I've never seen this man. Eww, he ugly.
SARAH: He looks like the kind of person who you would see…
KAYLA: Oh my God, I just found a young headshot of him, he used to look so normal.
SARAH: He looks like the kind of person who you would see at a rural gas station in the middle of nowhere. Not even… this isn't even region-specific, in the middle of nowhere, anywhere in the United States of America, at a rural gas station who you would be really leery of, you would be like, I think I have to leave now.
KAYLA: Yeah. Did you know his real name?
SARAH: His real name is crazy.
KAYLA: Theodor Capitani von Kurnatowski III
SARAH: Kurnatowski III. Theodor with no E at the end.
KAYLA: True. God, what a weirdo.
SARAH: He has like a mullet, but not in a gay way, in like a… I don't know how else to say it other than like a white trash way.
KAYLA: Hold on a second. His mother, Gina Capitani…
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: Capitani.
SARAH: Oh, Capitani. Oh, the Capitani is his mom's last name.
KAYLA: At 77, still works as an Amazon delivery driver. You're telling me that you're a rich, famous comedian and you're making your 77-year-old mother work as an Amazon delivery driver?
SARAH: That sounds about right.
KAYLA: Let the woman rest!
SARAH: That fucking sounds about right
KAYLA: What do you mean? Buy her a house. What are you doing?
SARAH: His dad was 67 when he was born.
KAYLA: Eww. Okay, anyway, that's not the point of this episode. We haven't even gotten to the part of his set that we're supposed to be talking about.
SARAH: No, we haven't. There is a very brief part of his set where he talks about how women are whores now, and he uses the word whores because of how they dress at the gym.
KAYLA: Yeah, he's talking about like, oh, I hadn't been to the gym in a while, throws in a quick thing about, oh, sometimes I go to Joe Rogan's private gym, blah, blah, blah. But then he's talking about going to the gyms in New York. And he said… yeah, he says, I didn't know that women just dress like whores now.
SARAH: Yeah. Now… and then he was talking about, like, the shorts.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And the leggings with the scrunchie butts.
KAYLA: And here's the thing, if anyone else had made that joke about how like the leggings are getting like sucked into the butthole, I'm like, yeah, it does kind of… that is kind of what those leggings look like.
SARAH: It does. So, for those who don’t know…
KAYLA: If anyone else had said that, it could have been fun.
SARAH: Maybe. For those of you who don't know, in the good old United States of America, what has been in vogue for the past couple of years for the gym girlies is leggings that make your butt look bigger.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: And there are a couple of different ways they do this, but the primary one is they scrunch up a little bit at your butt cheeks.
KAYLA: Yes, a tasteful placement of ruching at the butt.
SARAH: Yes. Sometimes I think it looks okay, sometimes it just looks weird.
KAYLA: Yeah, I think it depends on the quality of them, like the nice… like, Athleta and Lululemon, I'm sure make good ones and then the random Amazon ones, you're like, oh, that fabric doesn't look like it’s…
SARAH: It’s not working
KAYLA: It’s going to disintegrate right off your body.
SARAH: They're not for me. But like, I'm not going to judge a girlie who wants to wear those. Or like they'll wear like spandex shorts that have the same thing.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Or like a matching set like a sports bra and like shorter leggings.
KAYLA: Yeah. The other thing I've seen is like you wear biking shorts, but you just like roll them up a couple times at the bottom or you like scrunch them up at the bottom and so then it like lifts your butt up.
SARAH: Oh
KAYLA: This I've also seen.
SARAH: Which, listen, do I love all of these fits from an aesthetic point of view? No. There's this girl I see at the gym all the time, sometimes, who wears like a strapless, it's like a tube top basically.
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KAYLA: That's very brave.
SARAH: And I'm like, aren't you afraid your boobs are going to fall out?
KAYLA: That is extremely brave.
SARAH: Like…
KAYLA: What does she do? Is she lifting? Is she doing cardio?
SARAH: She's not doing like intense lifting, but she is like using weights.
KAYLA: Okay, see, that's crazy because I can't wear a tube top and bend over without it just wiggling on down.
SARAH: Right. There's another woman I see all the time who is often on like, I think Instagram Live, she's like a bit of like a fit influencer girlie and she… her boobs, she's definitely had a boob-job because boobs aren't that perky normally. But she has all these like cute like fits and like…
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: She has a couple like unitards.
KAYLA: I couldn't do that, I would just have a wedgie.
SARAH: Yeah, but every time I see her, I'm like… because she's not usually wearing… like, unless the fit is a bra as a part of it, she's not wearing a bra in addition.
KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: And I'm like… and she is like lifting.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And I'm like… and her boobs, she has got big boobs. I'm like, wow!
KAYLA: Maybe because they're fake, there's something in them that just like keeps them…
SARAH: It just keeps them there.
KAYLA: Right. I mean, because I think fake boobs are kind of hard.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: So, like, maybe they just don't move around that much.
SARAH: I guess, I don't know.
KAYLA: I don't know.
SARAH: But I see this often. I live in Los Angeles, I go to the gym in Los Angeles, I see this all the time.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: It's not always my favorite, but I'm like, you do you boo. Like, you look great in it. Never have I once thought, wow, that was a whore.
KAYLA: A whore, yeah, no
SARAH: The only thoughts I've had are, how do your boobs not fall out when you exercise?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Or like, what is the practicality of that? But like, you look good.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Some of the cast members, Cecily Strong…
KAYLA: I did see that, yeah
SARAH: And then I think somebody else, like posted being like, oh, I'm going to the gym wearing my leggings. Like, I'm a whore.
KAYLA: I'm a whore.
SARAH: Cecily Strong is a cast member from SNL. But there has been a lot of discussion around this particular comment on the World Wide Web. I have seen some tweets about how it's crazy because women are whores for wearing leggings with scrunchy butts. But then the same men who are calling them whores for that are the same ones who are taking pictures of women and saying, Grok, can you please make them being wearing a bikini?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: It's the same fucking people. So, it's like, do you want women to be whores?
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: You only want them to be whores on your terms.
KAYLA: That's what… like, it just reeks to me of like incel behavior because it's clear… I've seen some tweets that are like, he probably had one gym girlie, like he tried to hit on her and she set him back and now he has never stopped thinking about it his whole life.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: But it just feels so like, okay, so you know that you're mid and you're not even funny. You can be not attractive, whatever…
SARAH: That's fine.
KAYLA: That's fine, but you probably should then have a personality or something going for you.
SARAH: Right. Well, he thinks he's funny.
KAYLA: Right, exactly
SARAH: He has a career being funny, therefore, he must be funny.
KAYLA: Right. But I'm like, so you're not attractive, you're not funny, whatever. So, you're just… are you just sad that these people are attractive and don't like you? And so now you're just taking it out on them?
SARAH: Yeah, it seems to be. He just… I was looking in the comments and there were some comments being like, this fucking sucks, I hate this. Some comments being like, I like watching the faces of the band members in the background. Like, just being like completely flat face. Or like one of the band members, she's just kind of like vaguely smiling, like distant eyes the whole time.
KAYLA: Well, because now that I think about it, they definitely heard that in dress rehearsal, right?
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: Like, that is not the first time they had to hear that.
SARAH: And you can see all the band members, when the host is doing their monologue, you can see them in the background.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So, I'm sure they're used to just like dissociating.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: But then there were some comments that were like, I saw all these people complaining about this. Like, this is tame. Like, this sounds like something I heard in like 1996. And it's like…
KAYLA: Right, exactly, that’s what I’m saying
SARAH: And it’s like, yeah, that's the fucking point, it’s not 1996. Like, what are we doing?
KAYLA: It feels so much like old comedy. And also, it's just… he's not even telling a joke.
SARAH: No
KAYLA: Like, he's just calling women whores. Like, there's no punchline, there's no… it's nothing.
SARAH: Observational comedy is hard to do well.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And this is an example of him doing it poorly.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I think it's just a sign of our entire culture backsliding.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And it's crazy because SNL has gotten a lot of flack, like from Trump.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: About being like liberal trash, because they make fun of Trump.
KAYLA: It's just not. It's just not.
SARAH: It's definitely very much like white liberal…
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I voted for Kamala, I voted for Hillary, therefore I'm perfect, sort of mindset.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: You see that a lot in LA too. Like people who maybe have some level of power in the film and TV industry where they're like liberal up to a point, but as soon as you're like, tax the rich, they're like, wait a minute.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: My 15-million-dollar Pacific Palisades home… Well, that probably burned down. My 15-million-dollar Beverly Hills home…
KAYLA: Noooo!
SARAH: No, you can't tax it. Noooo! Like, there's a clear line for a lot of these people.
KAYLA: Yeah. I think especially after watching clips of UK SNL and what they are able to say about politics, about… like, the things that they say about like Israel, I am like, oh, that would never fly on the US SNL.
SARAH: If someone said that on US SNL, they would first of all get sniped live on air.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I'm not saying by Israel, I'm saying by the United States of America.
KAYLA: By Lorne Michaels.
SARAH: By Lorne Michaels. I have no idea if Lorne Michaels is a Zionist or not, but like, he’s…
KAYLA: I don't know, but he runs a tight ship and I don't think he'd like that.
SARAH: He's not going to let them say that shit, yeah.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And it would probably… I wouldn't be surprised if it got censored.
KAYLA: Oh, for sure.
SARAH: Because it's live, but it's on like a slight delay in case they need to censor anything.
KAYLA: Yeah, no, it is very middle of the road, like it's... yeah.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I mean, it's on cable, you know, like it's not…
SARAH: Hey, this is Sarah from the future. It's not on cable, it's on network TV, which is more accessible than cable, Kayla was just mixing them up. Okay, thanks, bye. And they've always made fun of presidents of all parties, like that has never been…
KAYLA: Yeah, that's just what they do.
SARAH: Yeah. They’ve made fun of Trump a lot because he's easy to make fun of because he does insane stuff.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But it's not some like leftist bastion of like…
KAYLA: Yeah, no
SARAH: And so, it's interesting that like, not only was he like, yeah, cool, I'll come on this show. Like he didn't think it was too progressive to be on
KAYLA: Well, also he was fired from SNL.
SARAH: Yeah. Let's discuss that. I don't know the details about that. Do you?
KAYLA: Not really.
SARAH: Let's look them up.
KAYLA: Dean, do you? How Shane Gillis was fired from SNL? What happened there?
DEAN: They hired him. And then like, before he ever even did a show, the internet started digging up some old quotes of him making like…
KAYLA: How long ago was this?
DEAN: Four years ago, or something.
KAYLA: Okay. So, four years ago-ish they hired him.
SARAH: It was 2019.
KAYLA: Okay, yes.
SARAH: Seven years ago. Oh my God!
KAYLA: Eww. Seven years ago!
DEAN: Oh
KAYLA: Old.
SARAH: He was supposed to become a cast member, they dropped him before he ever appeared on the show.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Because of archival video and podcast clips that surfaced of him using racist and homophobic slurs.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But they said, him as a host though…
KAYLA: And multiple times even.
SARAH: That's fine.
KAYLA: Yeah. He also dropped the F-bomb in the middle of the episode, he was in a sketch…
SARAH: Did he?
KAYLA: And he said, fuck, and they didn't bleep, they didn’t have time.
SARAH: They weren't prepared to bleep it?
KAYLA: Nope.
SARAH: Whoopsies. He had to pay money for that.
KAYLA: Also, he spat at it.
SARAH: Yeah. After he got fired from Saturday Night Live, he was like, I was always a mad TV guy, anyway. That is not…
KAYLA: Okay.
SARAH: I don't… If you say you're a mad TV guy, that does not make me optimistic.
KAYLA: Fair.
SARAH: Let's see, in another episode he uses gay slurs to describe comedians he doesn't think are funny. At one point in his standup, in his SNL monologue, he says something about looking like a lesbian.
KAYLA: Yes, yeah.
SARAH: And there's also a bit about him going hiking by himself.
KAYLA: Oh, I did not like that part.
SARAH: And there he talks about the only other person he saw on his hike was a woman who was like coming the opposite direction.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: And because of his vibe, he never outright said, I'm trying to convey to her that I'm not going to hurt her, that was what he was getting at…
KAYLA: Yeah
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SARAH: But because of his vibe, I couldn't tell for a good portion of the joke if the joke was about him not knowing how to convey that to her or if the joke was about him… was going to be like him being like, ooh, ha ha, like, faking…
KAYLA: Yeah, gotcha.
SARAH: Because that's the vibe. And I've seen people, I've seen like comedians and like influencers online make jokes about this when you're like a man going jogging and you see a woman, that are actually funny.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But like the ones I've seen have been a guy being like, you know, how to show to women when you're out for a jog that you're not a threat. And it's them being like, slay, hunty!
KAYLA: Yeah. Hi, diva! Yeah.
SARAH: Like, it's like that sort of thing. And Shane Gillis would never fucking say any of that because that's gay
KAYLA: No. And it would also come off as offensive if he did that, anyway. He would say it wrong and it would be bad.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: It's just… can I tell you something else that happened this week that made me think of it?
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: Because it's just like… like you were talking about earlier, the juxtaposition of just like women can never do anything right. Like, no matter what you're wearing, you're either like too frumpy or frigid or ugly or you're showing off way too much. I was talking to someone this week and I can't remember the exact… I don't even remember what conversation we were having with… how it came up, but we were talking about something about like clothes and fashion or something. And this guy I was talking to was basically, in not so many words, was saying that sometimes women will dress a certain way and they're never going to get like the outcome they're looking for, for dressing that way. Like essentially what he was saying, in not so many words, was you can't go out dressing like skimpy and expect to find a respectable man. Like, you're going to get from the world the reactions based on like what you're wearing. And if you want to like land a decent guy, you can't go around dressing like that.
SARAH: Mm
KAYLA: Which to a certain extent, I was like, okay, I guess. Like, if you're going out dressed scantily clad, then you probably like look like you're going out and partying. Like you don't probably look like you're trying to like settle down and like wife-up or whatever, because you look like you're just out to have fun or whatever.
SARAH: Right, you're looking like you're in a certain just type of person.
KAYLA: Sure
SARAH: Like you're in certain in-groups that would be more… yeah.
KAYLA: Which like sure, like yeah, people are going to assume things about you based on what you're wearing and like assume what you want and who you are.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: But I was also like, what… I don't know, like…
SARAH: Who cares?
KAYLA: Well, who cares? And I was also like, well, why is the onus only on the women in that situation?
SARAH: Oh, yeah, yeah
KAYLA: And also, like why does that bother you for a woman… like, I could understand if you had a woman in your life who was like constantly dressing in a certain way and getting treated badly and then being like, I don't understand what's happening.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And then you try to give her advice and she doesn't listen to you and then that would be annoying.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But I don't think on the whole you could just be like, I can't believe women are dressing this way and are confused why they're not being taken seriously or whatever. Because like, what do you mean?
SARAH: I saw some discourse about the homecoming dresses that are in style this year. And the post I saw of this girl, I agreed with her completely. But then I had to like kind of dive into the discourse of what was being said to understand like what was going on. Because she described, she was like, a lot of the homecoming dresses I'm seeing this year look like old-fashioned bathing suits. And I was like, what the fuck do you mean by that?
KAYLA: What?! Huh?!
SARAH: And so, I was like looking up, which is on TikTok, like 2026 homecoming. And I came to understand what she meant, which is that, you know, if you see those like bathing suits from like the 40s or 50s that are just like… they're like skirts or shirts or… skirts or shorts, but they're really short. And they're kind of like… they're almost like… like, kind of bunchy and… Do you know what I'm talking about?
KAYLA: I think I do, I'm going to look it up.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: 2026 Homecoming dress.
SARAH: No, not 1049s bathing suits. 1940s bathing suits.
KAYLA: I don't know, the videos that are coming up of 2026 homecoming dresses just look like homecoming dresses to me.
SARAH: It was a little… okay, it was a little hard for me to get that too. It wasn't until… okay, I'm screen-sharing.
KAYLA: Okay.
SARAH: Do you see like this?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And like this length specifically?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Can you describe what you're seeing?
KAYLA: I feel like there's a famous picture of Marilyn Monroe in a bathing suit like this. There is a certain… especially that red one, slow down
SARAH: Yeah. This one?
KAYLA: The red one. What? Up, up, up, up, up, up. Wait, it's gone. Come back. There was a red one.
SARAH: Never to be seen again.
KAYLA: Okay, okay, go to that brown… Ah, the red one, the blonde lady. The red one. I'm pointing at it. On the left of the screen.
SARAH: This? On the left?
KAYLA: Under the polka dots.
SARAH: That's the one that I had clicked on.
KAYLA: Oh, I couldn't see the right side… sorry, I couldn't see the right side of your screen, my thing was covered. Okay, so yes, it's these like bathing dresses that they would wear that have a lot of ruching.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And I think it's a skort, like they'd have a little shorts, but the dress is like tight and it's just short enough that it's like right at the length of the shorts.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I feel like there's a famous picture of Marilyn Monroe in one like this, but it's a very… like, the whole thing is kind of like ruched and textured. And yeah, like a skort situation.
SARAH: So, at first when she said this, I was like kind of confused. But then as I got through more of her video, I was understanding what she meant. Basically, whether or not they have that ruching or whether or not they're like different or they have like more of a bodice or whatever.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: A lot of the 2026 Homecoming dresses are about that length.
KAYLA: I see.
SARAH: But their dresses, they're not like skorts.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And a lot of… I saw some posts from like high schoolers being like, like, get the millennial moms out of here.
KAYLA: Oh my God!
SARAH: Like, I'm not wearing what you wore, like, whatever. And then moms being like, this isn't appropriate, whatever. Which there are definitely things to say about the sexualization of like 16-year-olds and 14-year-olds. There's plenty to say about that, but there always has been.
KAYLA: Yes, I don't think this is new.
SARAH: I don't think this is new. But there has been a lot of discussion about the length of these dresses.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And this person whose TikTok I found that was my first introduction to it all, was basically saying like, this isn't… like, I'm not like shaming like these girls who are wearing these dresses, the problem is with the people who are making the dresses because you can't… like, if you're at Homecoming and you sneeze and your ass is going to fall out when you sneeze, like that's not practical.
KAYLA: No, yeah.
SARAH: Like it might look good for a picture, but like you can't… that's not practical. And I don't remember how this relates to what we were talking about.
KAYLA: Um, women dressing in certain ways. Yeah, I think… yeah, it's interesting to bring up the people making them because I had not thought about that, of like, well, obviously these things are becoming trends for a reason. I don't think this is new, I think Homecoming dresses have a long historian history of being scandalous and moms being upset with their daughters for whatever they're wearing and being too short.
SARAH: Yeah. There were like shorter, tighter ones when we were in high school
KAYLA: Oh, for sure
SARAH: But I would say it was not the standard, whereas now it seems to be.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: There are some like A-line ones or like drop waist ones, but a lot of them are just like tight, strapless, very short.
KAYLA: Yeah. Which again I think there's a lot to say on like why that's happening and social media and whatever. But yeah, it's also like, why are you… I don't know, it's where… I feel very conflicted, and I think I feel the same way about like the gym girlie outfits. Right? Of like, it's a delicate line of like, I don't want women to be sexualized without their consent, I don’t want women's bodies to like have to be showcased and we always have to be looking good and have to be looking hot.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: And so, for that reason, it is frustrating when the fashion industry is pushing certain things out. Like on the one hand, is it annoying that they're making leggings that make your butt look bigger? Yeah. Because why do I need that?
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: Like why are you trying to sell that to me? Are you going to then… like, they're selling the insecurity of like, oh, your butt's too small and that's why you're going to the gym. So, I'm going to instill that insecurity in you just so that now I have something to sell to you.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: On the one hand, that's very frustrating and that's very real. On the other hand, I'm not going to hate on an individual woman for doing that or like judge women. Like, it's hard because it's like on the one hand, the fashion industry, the world in general, I don't want women to be sexualized like that. But if a woman of her own volition is choosing to sexualize her own self or just wants to wear it without being sexualized, then it's like, well, that's not my business.
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SARAH: Well, even if she's not wearing like the scrunchie butt, like if she's just wearing spandex shorts and a sports bra because that is what is easiest to wear when you're working out because you get hot and you don't want to have like layers and stuff getting in the way of like, that's like practical, right?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But then at the same time, then you, if you look at like, okay, the sorts of things that track and field athletes are wearing or like beach volleyball players are wearing.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: If you look at men versus women, like, yes, there is a certain practicality of it being like skin tight and whatever, but like, why are all the women's asses out and the men's aren't?
KAYLA: Yeah. Yeah, the volleyball and the track especially is like, what are we… that can't… like that's obviously not for practicality at this point, when the men are wearing a different thing and are doing just fine.
SARAH: Yeah. Like the men wear shirts in beach volleyball.
KAYLA: Do they really?
SARAH: I think they do, sometimes.
KAYLA: If women have to have their whole asses out, then the men should not be wearing shirts.
SARAH: Men's beach volleyball. Yeah, they wear like tank tops.
KAYLA: Hmm.
SARAH: They wear like tank tops and like regular length athletic shorts.
KAYLA: Now look up the women now. Let me look them up.
SARAH: Yeah, they wear bikinis.
KAYLA: Let me see it, I want to compare it directly...
SARAH: Oh, I'm still screen sharing, I forgot I was.
KAYLA: Yeah, I’m watching you look up the men and the women. Oh my God, bikini, like not just…
SARAH: It's just like a very small sports bra…
KAYLA: And also, a sports bra, not even a tank top. Just a full bathing suit.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: For why? Why? For why?
SARAH: And their butts are always so out.
KAYLA: I would be so annoyed. I'd have the biggest wedgie.
SARAH: I saw that there was people upset recently about… I don't know who it was, I don't know if it was a certain country, a certain channel, or it was like the league or something, changed their guidelines around live-filming of track and field.
KAYLA: I've heard of this.
SARAH: Where basically the rules became, if you're on someone's ass, cut away…
KAYLA: Don't, yeah.
SARAH: Don't. And there were so many men who were upset about it.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And it's like, I'm sorry, is this why you're watching sports?
KAYLA: Yeah. It was… yeah, the rule was basically… because… it must have been track and field or something
SARAH: Yeah, it was
KAYLA: Where sometimes with the camera is panning, you're just like panning over and you're just like… you're just shooting someone's butt and that's all that's showing.
SARAH: There might just be butt, yeah.
KAYLA: And it's like, it makes complete sense that the guideline would be like, hey, that's not… not everyone is going to want their ass…
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Just on TV like that. Like, what if you just don’t.
SARAH: Well, and they're like, they’re asking for it wearing those. It's like, no, but like the expectation is for them to wear those.
KAYLA: That's the uniform, they don't have…
SARAH: Like, that’s what they have to wear.
KAYLA: Yeah, yeah
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: It's just that you can't win.
SARAH: And I think there's a really interesting... I, as someone who grew up doing gymnastics, where like, you wear leotards. To me, that does not feel sexual, it feels different to me…
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I think some men probably look at it the same way.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But in my mind, it doesn't feel as exploitative for some reason. Maybe it's just because like I was a part of it and so, whatever.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But like, I was… like, a lot of other gyms, you would like wear like a tank leotard and like you could wear like spandex shorts or like even like spandex shorts and a sports bra. My gym was very much like you are always wearing a leotard and not wearing anything over it.
KAYLA: I think to me, it seems like the leotard for gymnastics is just more practical.
SARAH: It's functional.
KAYLA: Like for me, like looking at the things that especially like female gymnasts are doing, like I think spandex would get… like shorts would get in the way.
SARAH: They would. Like, I have...
KAYLA: To me, I'm like, yeah, that's just… like, I want to be able to move my legs freely without having like shorts on. Like, I don't know, it seems… of all the sports, it's like, you know, well.
SARAH: Yeah. On occasion, like, if you are wearing like spandex shorts or whatever, if you're doing bars with spandex shorts on, it's really easy when you're doing a kip, which is like the thing that they do to get upright on the bar, it's very easy to like catch your shorts.
KAYLA: Yeah. Well, that's the thing, it's like you need to be like… I don't know, skin is just like the best material for like gripping and like hitting the bar and like you just need the skin
SARAH: Yeah. And they did… And it's interesting because like pretty much exclusively in practice, you're wearing tank leotards, pretty much exclusively at meets, you're wearing long sleeve leotard just because they're seen as more formal for some reason.
KAYLA: Formal leotard, yeah.
SARAH: Like at the lower levels your like meet leotard will be tank, but once you get higher levels, you start wearing long sleeves or sometimes three-quarter sleeves. But they're longer always for some reason because they're formal for meets. But they only recently, I don't know if it was USAG or if it was FIG, so USAG is the US governing body and FIG is the International Gymnastics governing body. I don't remember which one it was, but one of them recently finally allowed unitards so that you can be like straight to your arms, straight to your ankles, that didn't used to be allowed.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And I saw recently because FIG and USAG also oversees like tumbling and trampoline.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And I saw recently there was a trampoline gymnast from Iran who was able to compete internationally for the first time.
KAYLA: Wow.
SARAH: Because she was allowed to wear like the full unitard and she was allowed to wear a hijab when she was doing her trampolining.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And it's like, it's crazy that we were just like, no, you can't.,
KAYLA: You just can't do it, you just can't.
SARAH: If you don't have your legs out, you can't.
KAYLA: It's funny because there's the… he was in the last Olympics, I don't know his actual last name, on Instagram he’s like Frederick Flips.
SARAH: Oh, Frederick Flips, yeah.
KAYLA: But he was a gymnast at U of M where we went to school and he was in the last Olympics. And I follow him on Instagram or TikTok or something. And he has been making a campaign for a change for the men's uniforms because they wear like the like little footie pajamas, like long pants and run around looking ridiculous.
SARAH: For some events.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And then sometimes they wear like the short shorts, yeah
KAYLA: Right.
SARAH: But he has been trying to campaign for like not having to do that and being able to wear more like normal shorts, kind of like basketball short style.
KAYLA: Yeah. Because he's like, we look ridiculous. Like we need to be taken seriously. Like, this is why no one cares about men's gymnastics, whatever. Which is very interesting, but it's also like doesn't seem very practical to me. So, it's just, yeah, I don't know.
SARAH: It's how they're practicing though.
KAYLA: Yeah, that's fair.
SARAH: Like, if you think about like what in men's gymnastics, they like they wear t-shirts and like athletic shorts to practice.
KAYLA: Yeah. Yeah, that's fair.
SARAH: Because they do have those like weird long… it's like… what was the point of those? But they only wear them for like bars, rings, high bar, pommel and rings. And then for floor and vault, they wear the shorts.
KAYLA: The only thing I can think of is you can see their… like the visibility of their legs is better because they're always wearing like the white long pants that are connected to the socks.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And so, you can really tell when they're like pointing their feet and have their like legs cleanly together.
SARAH: I think for men's gymnastics…
KAYLA: Like for the visibility, I don't know.
SARAH: Not to disagree with my boy Frederick Flips, I think you either need to have longer, tighter pants or shorter shorts so that you can see the whole leg in whatever you're doing.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: If they want to be wearing longer pants for like floor and vault, I'm fine with that. If they want to have different longer pants or different, like shorter… like, I'm fine with that. But I do think from a scoring perspective…
KAYLA: Yeah. I know, that was my thing with like the basketball shorts of like, you're not going to be able to see what they're doing if you're wearing baggy shorts, I just don't know.
SARAH: Yeah. But sometimes I look at like college gymnastics, some of their leotards are cut so high.
KAYLA: No, that makes me so uncomfortable.
SARAH: Like some leotards, like back in my day… which had changed in the 90s, they were cut pretty high.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And then it became more of a trend to cut them a little bit lower on like your hips. So, like your entire hip is not out. But you still had to like wear under… like you couldn't wear any underwear under a leotard. Like you had to wear like certain kinds so that they wouldn't be everywhere.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Some people just don't wear underwear under their leotards, to me, that's stressful. Also, like if you're on your period, like that's the worst. But like in college gymnastics, the leotards that they wear, you can't really wear bras with them.
KAYLA: Oh.
SARAH: And I'm like, some of them have like no boobs, so like it's fine. And they can wear like something on the front that's like whatever. It might have like a built-in thing.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: But some of them, especially I'm thinking of… fuck, I can picture her face, she went to UCLA, she went to the Olympics, her name starts with a K. Kyla Ross.
KAYLA: Mm, yeah.
SARAH: She, after going to the Olympics and becoming a college gymnast, grew boobs.
KAYLA: Yeah.
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SARAH: And then she was going to UCLA where they have like a lot of like open back leotards.
KAYLA: No!
SARAH: And I was like, how are your boobs staying in place? Like, I don't understand.
KAYLA: You have to have something built in.
SARAH: But they're like so high cut and they're so open in the back where it's like, if you like that, then great. But like...
KAYLA: It just doesn't… again, it doesn't feel very practical to me.
SARAH: I don't… I wouldn't feel that comfortable in it, I don't know.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But yeah, really high-cut leotards are annoying because then it's just like… And like as someone who did gymnastics, like I have no shame about picking a wedgie, I will pick a wedgie. But when you're constantly picking a wedgie…
KAYLA: Not fun.
SARAH: It's annoying.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Anyway, how did we get here?
KAYLA: I don't know.
SARAH: Also, sports that require women to wear skirts for some reason…
KAYLA: Weird.
SARAH: I played lacrosse for a season in high school; you have to wear skirts in lacrosse for some reason.
KAYLA: Why?
SARAH: And it was crazy because my high school, when I was there, the season that I played lacrosse, our cheer team, like cheer teams pretty much consistently wear like those like short skirts.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But that year they got new uniforms and one of their new uniforms was shorts. Like, it looked… it was the same style as those skirts, it was just like spandex shorts.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And thinking back, it's like, it's… like, the cheer team could wear shorts.
KAYLA: Why can't we wear shorts?
SARAH: The lacrosse team we had to wear skirts.
KAYLA: So weird.
SARAH: It's so strange. I think in men's lacrosse, they should wear skirts.
KAYLA: I agree.
SARAH: I think men's and women's lacrosse should switch rules.
KAYLA: I agree.
SARAH: Because men's and women's lacrosse, despite being the same sport, are very different.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: In women's lacrosse, like if you hit someone with your stick, it's like you get a card, men's lacrosse, you're like tackling…
KAYLA: Yay!
SARAH: Like to get the ball in the first place through like wrestling on the ground.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So.
KAYLA: So, explain that.
SARAH: Explain that. Anything else?
KAYLA: I think moral of the story is we just can't win.
SARAH: We just can't win.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I think men want women to be whores only under their terms.
KAYLA: Yeah. Oh, that reminds me of one last thing.
SARAH: Mm
KAYLA: As I always hear people talking about men will be like, well, my girlfriend, like she can't post bikini pics. Like, she can never… I would never want her to do something like that.
SARAH: That's not for other men to see.
KAYLA: And then you look at his Instagram and it's just the whole timeline, everything he's liking is just women's bikini pictures.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And it's like, okay, so who… so, what do you mean?
SARAH: So, you're saying your girlfriend's body belongs to you, but…
KAYLA: And you like it when people do it, but also you can't do it
SARAH: Right. But you want to see everyone else's girlfriends’ butts.
KAYLA: Well, I feel like the argument always is like, well, I just wouldn't want her to do that. Like, I know how men think. Like, I know how we are. And it's like…
SARAH: Then fucking stop thinking like that.
KAYLA: Well, how about you stop being like that then?
SARAH: Just an idea.
KAYLA: Why are you doing that then?
SARAH: Yeah, yeah.
KAYLA: And why am I being punished for you thinking like a weirdo?
SARAH: I really think it is just that like men want, on a whole... Not all men…
KAYLA: Not all men, blah, blah, blah
SARAH: Men want to be able to see women in skimpy clothes and sexualized clothing when they want to. But if women do it themselves, they are like, no, that's my job. Like, it's my job to tell you when and where you can be sexy.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And it's my job to determine what is sexy.
KAYLA: Well, because it gives too much power to women if all of a sudden, we're allowed to decide when and where and why we're being sexy.
SARAH: And if.
KAYLA: The fact that I might dress this way and it might not be for you at all. I might not be interested in sex at all and I'm going to wear whatever. Like that is, I'm sure extremely upsetting to that mindset.
SARAH: Yeah. And Shane Gillis is just a prime example of that thinking, which I guess men are allowed to do again.
KAYLA: I guess we're doing that again.
SARAH: For a while in Woke 1.0 that wasn't allowed.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But hey, sexualizing women and calling them whores for wearing clothes, it's back, baby!
KAYLA: We're so back! We're so back!
SARAH: Jesus! What's our poll for this week?
KAYLA: Are you a whore?
SARAH: Are you a whore? Great. Kayla, what's your beef and your juice for this week?
KAYLA: My beef is that I got a haircut last week or maybe the end of the week before, I think this is the first time in my life I've gotten a haircut and I don't like it.
SARAH: Mm
KAYLA: I… and I don't, because this has never happened to me, I don't quite know what to do with myself.
SARAH: Yeah. And if it has been like a week or two, like sometimes you just have to get used to it.
KAYLA: Yeah. Which my hair, every time I get a haircut, whether it's a haircut I like or not, it takes a couple of weeks for my hair to adjust because like the curls have to re-find each other and like, especially if I get layers cut, my hair gets very confused.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: So, to be fair, I've only washed it once since I got it cut, so it might take a couple of more washes. And it's a haircut… it's like a similar haircut to ones I've gotten before. So, it's not that dramatic, but I specifically, I told the lady, I was like, I want to keep… because I had grown it out, it was like really long and I was like, I want to keep it as long as possible. Like I'm trying to grow out my hair. I have a wedding to be doing.
SARAH: I have a marriage to be wed.
KAYLA: I have a marriage I'm being wed and I want to keep it long. And she was like, oh yeah, so you just want… you want to like reshape it and do all this stuff. And I was like, yeah, okay, I guess, whatever. So, she just completely didn't listen to me and then spent the whole appointment talking about how crazy her daughter was when she got married. And some of the stuff I was like, okay, yeah, she was crazy. The other stuff I was like, I don't know, it kind of sounds like she was right about that. Like, I don't know what to tell you, lady. And then it's just so much shorter than I wanted. And the top layer… like, she cut really severe layers and the top layer is so short, it's so short. And I just… I'm just sad.
SARAH: Boooooo!
KAYLA: But it's okay, I'm using my hair oil to make it grow extra-fast.
SARAH: You got time
KAYLA: And it will grow. I will make it grow.
SARAH: You got time
KAYLA: My juice is the Olivia Rodrigo- Chappell Roan collab.
SARAH: Yippee!
KAYLA: I am gay.
SARAH: Gaaaaaaaayyyyyy! I'm trying to decide if I should get an extra gay haircut before your wedding.
KAYLA: There has been several people who have been deciding on that.
SARAH: What if I get it and I don't like it?
KAYLA: Well, you could get it now and then grow it out.
SARAH: I could but I just got a haircut a… ago
KAYLA: Well…
SARAH: My hair does grow pretty fast, according to my former hair designer.
KAYLA: I feel like you could get it like now or like in a month and then you'd have time to grow it out if you didn't like it. It's going to be the gayest wedding you've ever seen.
SARAH: For a straight wedding, it’s going to be so gay
KAYLA: I know, everyone’s like; I think I'll shave my head, I'm going to wear a suit, I'm going to wear a jumpsuit, I'm going to do this.
SARAH: Okay, cool.
KAYLA: I'm like, okay, just a collection of the gayest people you've ever seen. My side, gay as fuck. Dean's side, just a bunch of men in suits.
SARAH: Oh yeah, incredible. My beef and juice. My beef is I'm sick again. My other beef is that search functions everywhere don't work, but I made… to talk about it so I don't have to go into it. My juice is I went to a John Green book event.
KAYLA: Oh, yeah. How was it?
SARAH: It was good. I was sick, so I had to wear a mask, so I didn't infect everyone.
KAYLA: That's nice of you.
SARAH: And I did not feel great, but I feel worse now, so it could've been worse.
KAYLA: Good
SARAH: I was supposed to see Taemin tonight, but it got postponed because of the aforementioned…
KAYLA: Because of you being sick.
SARAH: Visa issues. And my mom was like, oh yeah, that's too bad. And I was like, honestly, it's for the better, I feel like trash.
KAYLA: It's great, I'm sick.
SARAH: But yeah, it was good, I got to go with a friend, I now have two books, and I'm going to get one of them to my sister-in-law.
KAYLA: Wow!
SARAH: It's her book club next month.
KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: I haven't read it yet…
KAYLA: I'm shocked.
SARAH: But I've heard it's good. My friend who I was with had already read it. Anyway, you can tell us about your beef, your juice, what inanimate object do you think Shane Willis looks like on our social media?
KAYLA: Willis?
SARAH: Gillis. I don't even know his fucking name. I don't even know his fucking name.
KAYLA: As you should've.
SARAH: The only Shane in my life is Shane Hollander.
KAYLA: Good
SARAH: Uh… you can… social… @soundsfakepod. We also have a Patreon, if you'd like to support us there. Our $5 patrons who we are promoting this week are Iris Tolosa, Jolly Lizbert, Katharina, Kelly, and Lindsay. Thanks guys!
KAYLA: Yaaaaaaay!
SARAH: Our $10 patrons who are promoting something this week are Alastor who would like to promote the podcast 'Shadows and Shenanigans'. Ani, who would like to promote the importance of being kind to yourself, and others. Arcnes, who would like to promote the Trevor Project. Benjamin Ybarra who would like to promote Tabletop games. And Clare Olsen who would like to promote Impact_Frame. Our other $10 patrons are Danielle Hutchinson, Derick & Carissa. Carissa is a senior in college. Did you see that?
KAYLA: No, where was that?
SARAH: In the cord.
KAYLA: Where?
SARAH: Carissa revealed themselves.
KAYLA: Where?
SARAH: And said, hi, it's me…
KAYLA: Where?
SARAH: I'm a senior in college.
KAYLA: Ah, I see it. How did I miss this?
SARAH: I don't know. It's crazy that I saw it and you didn't. Did I respond?
KAYLA: Yes, you did. Hold on, I'm reading. Oh my God! Carissa, nooooo!
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SARAH: And the promotion of the ‘supporting people through the transitions we face’ was for when Carissa started college and it just hasn't changed since.
KAYLA: It has been so many years.
SARAH: Also, Carissa, your age identifier on the Discord is no longer accurate, I just wanted to let you know.
KAYLA: Wait, is mine… oh no. Am I aging out of mine again? What are our brackets? I'm getting afraid now.
SARAH: Oh, I'm at the upper limit of my bracket. You have aged out of the bracket, you need to put yourself in a new bracket.
KAYLA: No! Are you serious?
SARAH: 23 to 29.
KAYLA: No! Wait, but I am 29.
SARAH: Oh right, you're turning 30, I just turned 29.
KAYLA: I can't believe you thought I was 30.
SARAH: I got confused.
KAYLA: I can't believe it.
SARAH: I started feeling sick on my birthday, which was cool.
KAYLA: Do you think it's because I forgot to wish you happy birthday?
SARAH: That was so funny. No, it was like…
KAYLA: I was so upset.
SARAH: It was like the evening of my birthday and I was like, oh, Kayla hasn't said anything. And I was like, that checks out, she doesn't know what my birthday is.
KAYLA: It's literally… I have a wall calendar and it's on my wall calendar.
SARAH: Tell the people what you did
KAYLA: Okay, I didn't text, I didn't say anything to Sarah on her birthday. And it's so stupid because first of all, it's on my wall calendar, I have it written down, specifically. And you had your birthday celebration, what? Like, on Friday.
SARAH: It was on Saturday, my birthday was on Monday.
KAYLA: Right, and so I saw people posting about it and you sharing stories of people that were like over celebrating with you. And I was like, ugh, these people are saying happy birthday, like it's not even Sarah's birthday yet. I thought that in my mind. And then for at least the past one birthday, maybe several, I've called you on your birthday because we call each other whenever someone dies. And I called you and you've been like, who is dead? And I'm like, you're 28th year of life, ha ha ha.
SARAH: You know why I thought you were 30? Because the other day I was thinking about how excited I was to call you on your next birthday because I can say, who is dead? Your 20s.
KAYLA: Your 20s. I did and I did think about that as well. So, I even… I was like, oh, I'm going to do that again this year, it’s going to be so funny. And then it became Monday and I didn't work that day and so I forgot it was the day it was.
SARAH: Wow, I had to work on my birthday and you didn't?
KAYLA: Yeah, I got your birthday off, just for you. And then I didn't say…
SARAH: You got it off for Canadian Thanksgiving, I assume.
KAYLA: Actually…
SARAH: Indigenous People's Day.
KAYLA: No, literally, in the city of Cambridge and Boston or whatever, it is a holiday. So, we get it off like on the work calendar. It's for both. It's like Christopher Columbus National and Indigenous People's Day State. Like they've listed both on the HR websites.
SARAH: Thanksgiving Canada.
KAYLA: Canada. And then it was like Tuesday morning or whatever. And I was like, I am the worst person on earth.
SARAH: I'm a fool!
KAYLA: I'm an idiot! Because I did even know, I did even know this time.
SARAH: I thought it was so silly-funny.
KAYLA: What are you going to do?
SARAH: Imagine if I was like so offended.
KAYLA: I wouldn't blame... I'd be like, well, yeah, I don't know.
SARAH: I just thought it was silly-funny. Okay, anyway, our other $10 patrons aside from Danielle Hutchinson and Derek & Carissa are Elle Bitter, Eric, Johanna, Kayla's dad, Maff, Martin Chiesl, Purple Hayes, Quartertone, Barefoot Backpacker and SongOStorm. Our $15 patrons are Kayla’s Aunt Nina who would like to promote katemaggartart.com and Schnell, who would like to promote accepting that everyone is different and that's awesome. Our $20 patrons are Dr. Jacki and River, who would like to promote remembering people's birthdays…
KAYLA: Sarah’s birthday
SARAH: But then forgetting them the day of.
KAYLA: This is what I'm saying, it is I knew it
SARAH: I've done that before, I have indeed done that before. Thanks for listening, tune in next Sunday for more of us in your ears. Hopefully there will be less sickness in the air.
KAYLA: That would be good. And until then, take good care of your cows.
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