Ep 350: Pride 2025 and Biphobia
SARAH: Hey, what's up? Hello! Welcome to Sounds Fake But Okay, a podcast where an aro-ace girl (I'm Sarah, that's me.)
KAYLA: And a bi demisexual that… wait
SARAH: Bi demisexual girl?
KAYLA: Yes. And a bi demisexual girl (That's me, Kayla.)
SARAH: Talk about all things to do with love, relationships, sexuality, and pretty much anything else we just don't understand.
KAYLA: On today's episode, ‘Pride 2025.’
BOTH: Sounds fake, but okay.
SARAH: I'm gonna keep all that in…
KAYLA: Nooooo
SARAH: Just to give our listeners more to miss us with, you know?
KAYLA: That will help them not miss us, I think.
SARAH: Exactly.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Welcome back to the pod!
KAYLA: I'm sorry I had to yawn. Heheeee, did I make you yawn?
SARAH: Wow! That's how you feel about this podcast and our listeners?
KAYLA: I think last time I opened with a yawn, at least one person said I made them yawn, so I hope I made you yawn again.
SARAH: Please say wappa wappa.
KAYLA: Wappa wappa.
SARAH: Thanks, my cat stopped my recording.
KAYLA: She is here tromping across the desk.
SARAH: Please say wappa wappa again.
KAYLA: Wappa wappa.
SARAH: Okay, I'm gonna forcibly remove her from the premises.
KAYLA: Ugh, she's so long.
SARAH: Yesterday I tried to trim some of her back nails.
KAYLA: Oh, I don't bother with the back nails, ever.
SARAH: Well, just because I'm about to travel with her, and I'm afraid of her clawing my eyes out going through TSA.
KAYLA: I would be if that was my cat.
SARAH: So, I tried to get some back nails, I tried twice.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: Zero nails were clipped.
KAYLA: Ah
SARAH: Several Sarahs were scratched.
KAYLA: Yeah, I bet.
SARAH: So
KAYLA: That's tough.
SARAH: The other day I was cutting some of her front nails, she just scratched me right in the tit, through my shirt.
KAYLA: Oh, no.
SARAH: Yeah, it was tough.
KAYLA: Free top surgery.
SARAH: Oh, free top surgery.
KAYLA: You’re welcome.
SARAH: Exactly. Anyway, welcome back to the pod.
KAYLA: And goodbye.
SARAH: And goodbye. Our housekeeping is that this is our last pod for a month, we'll see you in August.
KAYLA: Yes, it’s time
SARAH: Well, you'll hear us. We won't hear you.
KAYLA: No.
SARAH: We'll perceive you in a theoretical, metaphorical sense.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And on the world wide web.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But you will not hear us.
KAYLA: And I guess they could listen to old episodes and they would hear us.
SARAH: Or they could just re-listen to that opening over and over and over.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I think that’d be fun
KAYLA: Yeah, definitely.
SARAH: Yeah, it's summer break, I hope you guys miss us so much.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: Okay. So, what delightful content are we going to give the kids to tide them over through the entire month of July? Complaints.
KAYLA: To tide you over for July we will be reflecting upon June.
SARAH: Upon June, exactly.
KAYLA: An episode or so ago I had mentioned a possible episode topic of just like basically bitching about how terrible this year's Pride was. And I was like, I don't think I want to do that. Because whatever day that was, I was in a really terrible mood.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: But I did see at least one comment of people being like, “no, I think that would be interesting, because this year's Pride was shit.” And I am in a slightly improved mood today, so I think I could discuss this topic without it completely making everyone depressed, so
SARAH: That's good.
KAYLA: So that is what we will be doing today.
SARAH: Slay. Am in an equivalent mood, I think.
KAYLA: Okay
SARAH: I don't remember. I have the memory of a goldfish.
KAYLA: Yeah, that’s true
SARAH: So, it could be anything. Let's begin.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: Pride 2025
KAYLA: Pride 2025. The corporations were not there.
SARAH: Fuck them
KAYLA: And I was thinking about this. And it's really ironic because we've done a couple of Pride episodes. Like we did I think one about the controversy about can't get Pride. I think we did one about corporate Pride. And in the past, we have bitched about how fake corporate Pride was, because it was and it is.
SARAH: But you don't know what you have until it's gone.
KAYLA: But you don't know what you have until it's gone and I would have killed for some performative allyship this year.
SARAH: Perform for me, papiiii.
KAYLA: In the past, I had gotten really annoyed when I saw companies change their logos to rainbow. Because I was like, this is just so performative, whatever. But this year, the few I saw that did it, I was like, “huh, nice.”
SARAH: Talk Valentina! She's ally.
KAYLA: Yeah, so that is my first thought as I missed the corporatication of Pride. And the thing is, is I think honestly, though, what it really shows is that it has been performative the entire fucking time.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: Because the reason brands got so into Pride in the past couple of years was because it sold. It was popular, people were into that.
SARAH: Capitalism
KAYLA: And now that those kind of things are under attack and the government could get pissed at your company for doing that.
SARAH: And fuck your company.
KAYLA: And fuck your company. Now you're going to pull away from it. So, it truly was just performative the whole time. If companies actually cared about queer issues…
SARAH: They would say fuck you and do it.
KAYLA: Yeah, they would do it anyway or care about it year-round, but they do not.
SARAH: I'm really curious, obviously we come at this from an American perspective
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Where we're the ones with Mr. Cheeto head at the top being like, “if you say or do something I don't like, I will find a way to deport you. I don't care if you were born in this country.”
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Like, he is just finding a way to backlash at literally anything. And so, people are very afraid and they're making their choices… What's the word I'm looking for? Accordingly.
KAYLA: Accordingly. Accordingly, what a fancy word for you.
SARAH: Not fancy for me, that's a regular for me.
KAYLA: Well, then why couldn't you think of it?
SARAH: Because I can't think of any word ever.
KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: I had a really bad word substitution the other day, I don't remember what it was.
KAYLA: Was it Michael Jackson from Michigan Jackson? Because you did do that.
SARAH: That was just my fingers choosing to say Michigan instead.
KAYLA: That's even worse, almost, I think.
SARAH: Anyway, but I think it's very acute. Speaking of SAT words, neither of us ever took the SAT
KAYLA: It's true I didn't. I took the ACT like a good old Midwesterner.
SARAH: ACT, baby. But I think it's much more acute in the United States just because of the fucking situation we're in.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: I'm really curious to see how the experience was elsewhere.
KAYLA: Yeah, I would love to know.
SARAH: If they felt that it was also decreased. That's our poll for this week I'm telling you right now.
KAYLA: In minute eight, record shit. Like the good old days.
SARAH: I was gonna say with editing it might be within the seven but now I'll have to add the theme music so no it'll still be eight.
KAYLA: I know my numbers. No, it won't.
SARAH: So, I would just be very curious of our listeners of like how… what the level of corporate pride was and where you live.
KAYLA: I also just don't know what corporate pride has looked like elsewhere in a ‘standard year’ either because for the past several years when we have bitched about corporate pride all of the companies that come to mind are American based. They have like global footprints and whatever but like they are American companies.
SARAH: Right. Maybe some like British based, maybe like Western Europe.
KAYLA: Maybe but...
SARAH: Did like BMW do corporate pride shit?
KAYLA: I'm sure they did.
SARAH: I'm just trying to think of like Western European companies.
KAYLA: Western European car companies at this point are fully American to me, I don't know. I understand that they're not but like they're so here that I'm like you're, whatever, you know?
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: So, yeah, I'd be very curious to know what it has looked like in past years and then also this year.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Okay. Here are some other thoughts I have about pride. I have very few thoughts about aros and aces at pride which is telling and I think equivalent to past years.
SARAH: In that there just wasn't much happening?
KAYLA: I mean, I didn't see any discourse granted. I think both of us are not as online in the aspec spaces as we used to be.
SARAH: I'm not… well, that's… I was gonna say, I'm not as online, period, but that's not true. I am…
KAYLA: You're in different spaces.
SARAH: I'm in different spaces online. I still haven't posted my Instagram from the Hobie concert two and a half months ago, I mean.
KAYLA: What are we doing? Yeah. So, like I can't… I don't know, if there was discourse within the community I feel like I didn't see much. I do know that aspecs had a good representation at WorldPride this year.
SARAH: Hell yeah.
KAYLA: Which is very exciting.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: But like as usual, I don't know, nothing huge there.
SARAH: Would you say the WorldPride… the WorldPride was wide enough… the wide were… I'm word-shopping.
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KAYLA: Jesus.
SARAH: Hey this is Sarah from the future, the world was pride enough is right there but it's… there's something about it that's just not… world… it doesn't… the WorldPride, the wide was pride enough, the wide… I'll stop.
KAYLA: I do wonder because WorldPride was in DC this year.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: And I do think DC is one of the…
SARAH: Do they change the location every year?
KAYLA: I think so. I think it was in Australia last year, wasn't it?
SARAH: Yeah. Because we had…
KAYLA: Because we had… yeah. And I do think that DC has one of the like the bigger more active aspec populations.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: I think they're one of the cities that has their own groups.
SARAH: It’s because they’re all in politics
KAYLA: Maybe. I don't know, like New York obviously is super active, L.A. But I feel like DC, Boston too, there’s not a lot of...
SARAH: Is L.A. that active? I mean, L.A. might be, I’m just not involved in it. I know there are like aspec groups here, but
KAYLA: Yeah, I guess I just see that there are aspec groups, Boston has a lot of aspec people, I don't think there's a lot of like formal groups that I've seen but I think DC has like…
SARAH: Yeah, that rings a bell for me
KAYLA: From what I have gathered, a more active population, so, maybe that's part of it.
SARAH: Someone sent us an email about aspec stuff at WorldPride and I didn't see it till like four days after it ended.
KAYLA: That's pretty standard seeming for our difficulty with managing our inbox.
SARAH: Listen, if you want us to be involved in anything or even just to notify us about something, you need to give us…
KAYLA: Months.
SARAH: Months.
KAYLA: Months. It will take us months to see it in that inbox.
SARAH: Or we'll see it and then just not open it because we're overwhelmed.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Speaking of which...
KAYLA: Mentally ill.
SARAH: Kayla. Okay, you know how I've talked about this podcast about how I had some things that I received at the P.O. box that I thought were returned to sender because I didn't realize they had arrived.
KAYLA: Yes. Yes. Yes.
SARAH: About a month ago I went to check my P.O. box and it had a slip that was like, “hey, you have a package,” and it was like, “last warning” and the last warning was like a week and a half prior, but I was like, ah, they're open right now so like I'll go in and check.
KAYLA: Is your P.O. box outside?
SARAH: No, there's a different… you have to go into a different part of the building.
KAYLA: Sure.
SARAH: You can't go through the building to get to the counter.
KAYLA: Okay
SARAH: Because the P.O. box room has more hours than the actual…
KAYLA: That makes sense, I wish mine had that, Jesus.
SARAH: But the USPS by me is like a smaller outpost so like the counter hours are not very good.
KAYLA: I see.
SARAH: Like I got there at like… it was like 2.45 and I happened to get there 15 minutes before they closed on a Saturday, so.
KAYLA: That's tough hours.
SARAH: I was like, I don't know if this is still here or if it was returned to sender but like I'm just checking and the guy goes back and he's back there for a while.
KAYLA: Aww
SARAH: He's like moving around.
KAYLA: Damn.
SARAH: He's gone, and he comes out with three packages.
KAYLA: Oh my God. Christmas.
SARAH: And he goes, “these were supposed to have been returned to sender, but who…” like, he was like I'm new at this location like I don't usually work at this location. He was like, whoever it was just didn't return them to sender.
KAYLA: My God, what luck!
SARAH: So, I had three packages. One of them which was from like 10 months prior.
KAYLA: Oh my God.
SARAH: And so, I got them and I brought them to my home and I put them on my kitchen table.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: This was one month ago, would you like to guess where they are?
KAYLA: Have you not opened them?
SARAH: No.
KAYLA: Sarah, I don't understand that, because the second I get any type of package, I will go to my P.O. box and then like I will go there on the way to somewhere else and I'll be opening it on the way, I don't care that it's going to make a mess, I don't care that the shit's going to get everywhere and I'm going to lose probably the envelope.
SARAH: It's going to be the glitter penis from that one time.
KAYLA: It's going to be the glitter penis from that one time. I don't care. I'm on the street in the sun opening my mail.
SARAH: I don't know I just found it a little overwhelming.
KAYLA: I am so jealous of you that you have so many presents to open. I can't believe you haven't opened your presents.
SARAH: So, maybe we can do that soon. But I was like, “well, it has been there for 10 months, what’s another month?”
KAYLA: Everyone should be sending their mail to me because I will appreciate their presents.
SARAH: I will appreciate your presents; I just have to get myself in the mindset to open an envelope
KAYLA: Well, I'll appreciate them immediately. To be fair though I usually know what mine are because it's usually buttons
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: So, that, I know what it is and I'm excited about it.
SARAH: Like what if mine's like a scary ghost that's going to haunt me for the rest of my life.
KAYLA: It's probably dead by now if so…
SARAH: Ghosts are dead.
KAYLA: But dead dead, like, you left it in there so long the ghosts died somehow.
SARAH: It's actually haunting the USPS now.
KAYLA: Oh no. See, look what you're doing to the USPS people.
SARAH: Anyway.
KAYLA: If you sent Sarah a package 10 months ago, 11 now, I guess, I'm so sorry.
SARAH: Thank you. I'm excited to find out what it is.
KAYLA: Are you?
SARAH: When I'm in the mindset to do so.
KAYLA: Ugh. Maybe upon our return we can do a live unboxing.
SARAH: Honestly deserved.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Anyway. What?
KAYLA: Aspecs at pride.
SARAH: Aspecs at pride. I'm sure there were some there.
KAYLA: I went to a couple of pride events.
SARAH: I didn’t
KAYLA: I will say I went to the pride game at the Red Sox and they had… they do like special theme nights at the Red Sox. You can get a special ticket and get like a jersey and get early access whatever. So, we got special tickets and we went early and there was a drag show, it was a fun thing
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: But they had a bunch of the little flags set out everywhere so you could grab your flags and they had ace and aro flags.
SARAH: Hell yeah.
KAYLA: And I saw maybe two other people with ace flags and then someone DM'd me saying, like our listener saying they were also there and I was like, “slay.”
SARAH: You said that last week but like that's fine.
KAYLA: Well, that's just how excited about how famous I am. I love to be famous.
SARAH: I should have gone to the Angel City Football Club Pride game but I just didn't think about it and KATSEYE was there, my girls
KAYLA: That means nothing to me.
SARAH: Gnarly.
KAYLA: What?
SARAH: Gnarly.
KAYLA: This is nothing.
SARAH: Have you not heard Gnarly?
KAYLA: I don't know. It doesn't appear so.
SARAH: Wow. It's the song I talked about weeks ago that was bad.
KAYLA: Oh, yes
SARAH: And then a week later I was like, never mind.
KAYLA: I haven't heard it except for you singing it.
SARAH: Okay. You need to… at the end of this we're gonna have a viewing.
KAYLA: I don’t…
SARAH: It's three minutes.
KAYLA: But last time… do you remember the last time you showed me a BTS song that was like really bad?
SARAH: It wouldn't have been a BTS song; BTS has been no ‘skip discography.’
KAYLA: No, wait, whose was it? It was one that you showed me and you were like, “yeah, everyone agrees this is bad but it really gets in your head.”
SARAH: It must have been one of the songs on my playlist that I have that's exclusively K-pop and K-pop-adjacent songs that I hated the first time I heard them and then they came like back to me.
KAYLA: But then also you like made your mom listen to it, it was when I was visiting…
SARAH: ‘Ring Ding Dong’ by SHINee.
KAYLA: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I don't want that to happen to me again.
SARAH: Listen. When we were at the wedding a while ago Miranda and Evan were exclusively playing Taylor Swift and I was like, “I'm requesting Gnarly by KATSEYE. I need Gnarly by KATSEYE.” And so finally they queued it up for us and me and Hannah were in the backseat going ham on those absurd lyrics. And I was like, I'm so glad I have someone here who understands.
KAYLA: I just don't know.
SARAH: I don't know what to tell you.
KAYLA: Anyway. Pride.
SARAH: Anyway
KAYLA: The other pride thing I went to, I went to like a… I don't know it's like this local man who puts on…
SARAH: Just a local man!
KAYLA: It's a local man. It's called ‘Fruit Stand Gay’ I think but he puts on like dance parties at this music venue and he brings in DJs and drag queens. It was really… this was last weekend I went, but it was really cool because they had one DJ going and then you could also like go upstairs and make like friendship bracelets and have like quiet time.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: Which was nice. And so, they had one DJ and then at midnight a drag queen came out.
SARAH: Santa?
KAYLA: And I've never been in an environment where the drag queen was like right there like on the floor. Like, they just backed people up and made like a circle and the queen she was just like there right in front of me.
SARAH: It was just like a dance circle for the drag queen
KAYLA: Yeah, I was like, oh my God, right there. She was really good. And then another DJ came on after that.
SARAH: Did the DJ got us fallen in love again?
KAYLA: I thought the DJ was good. I heard several complaints but maybe I was too drunk to… I don't know, the transitions apparently were not that good but I was having a great time.
SARAH: Or maybe your music taste is whack.
KAYLA: They played the entirety of ‘Contissimo’ and that's really all I need.
SARAH: Of what?
KAYLA: ‘Contissimo’ by Marina. Now this is a song you need to be listening to. It's so good.
SARAH: I was pondering this the other day; because you know how the other day you were like, if you gave me a playlist of BTS or K-pop or whatever I would listen to it.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Our music taste…
KAYLA: Not the same
SARAH: Has overlapped but is not the same.
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KAYLA: I'm sure you've heard Marina songs before.
SARAH: Yeah, I have.
KAYLA: Her new album is so fucking good. No skips. So good.
SARAH: Tea
KAYLA: You would like ‘Contissimo’ I think.
SARAH: Okay. But I was just thinking, I was like… I wouldn't know. I would really have to…. Remember how like a year ago you sent me your dumpy playlist?
KAYLA: Yeah, I'm sure I did.
SARAH: I would have to find it.
KAYLA: You'd have to comb... That's not updated though, I use a different playlist.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: I’ll have to send you a different one
SARAH: You’ll have to send me a different one, so, that I could give... That's why I'm overwhelmed… part of the reason why I'm overwhelmed by the prospect is because it's a lot of homework leading up to it.
KAYLA: It is, that's true.
SARAH: Because we don't live together anymore, I don't know what you're listening to.
KAYLA: That's fair.
SARAH: A couple of weeks ago, months ago, you were like, “my juice is this song, it's the best.” And I listened to it and I said, “not for me.”
KAYLA: What was it? Do you remember?
SARAH: I don't remember.
KAYLA: Well, that's fucked up.
SARAH: I'm sorry.
KAYLA: Damn.
SARAH: I still to this day, the only Pride event I have ever been to was San Francisco Pride in 2018.
KAYLA: Which is so… what a wild only Pride event I've only been to.
SARAH: Truly. I considered… I don't know, it's just… like, I mean obviously… like, I live in LA I could go to WeHo Pride. Like WeHo Pride is WeHo Pride. But I just… it stresses me out and people don't invite me, therefore…
KAYLA: Fair. If you were here, you would be invited to things. I have definitely found more enjoyment from smaller pride events than going to a big parade.
SARAH: Like, I don't have an urge to go to a parade.
KAYLA: No. Last year, because Boston has a parade every year and then in the big park in the middle of the city they have like people set up tents and it's kind of like a, I don't know festival type thing.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And I went to that not the parade but the festival part thing. And granted it was pouring rain so not the best weather. But it was just kind of like, mm, like, I don't know, there wasn't much room, there weren't many activities.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: I want an activity.
SARAH: She loves an activity.
KAYLA: I love an activity.
SARAH: I… If you don't invite me places I don't go places.
KAYLA: Same.
SARAH: I... But you have friends.
KAYLA: You also have friends, they just don't live in your hell city
SARAH: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I do have friends and I do have friends in this city. You know what I don't have in this city? I was contemplating this the other day, I don't have community in this city.
KAYLA: Yeah. It's because L.A. is not built for that.
SARAH: Yes. So, I have friends but I don't have community. So, like also K-pop concerts, I don't have a built in K-pop concert friend group, that's why I'm seeing LE SSERAFIM by myself.
KAYLA: Fucked up.
SARAH: That's why for the Jin concerts I mooched my way in another person's group.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: But I'm not in their friend group. I'm not in a single… Listen, I'm here to complain. I am not in a single Twitter group chat, I have been on K-pop Twitter for so long.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: I have K-pop Twitter friends, but I'm not in any group.
KAYLA: Is that a common thing? A group chat?
SARAH: Oh yeah, everybody has got their group chat.
KAYLA: Oh
SARAH: And I'm not in any of them. And I feel very insecure about it.
KAYLA: You should just start demanding they let you in.
SARAH: Anyway.
KAYLA: I would let you into my K-pop group chat.
SARAH: K-pop group chat.
KAYLA: I'd let you in.
SARAH: Okay. What's it called?
KAYLA: I'm trying to pick up like a single pun based off any K-pop name.
SARAH: You can do it.
KAYLA: I know.
SARAH: I believe in you.
KAYLA: It would be called ‘Dancing Queen Young and Sweet Only Seventeen.’
SARAH: Oh, that's good.
KAYLA: Thank you.
SARAH: It takes a while to get to it.
KAYLA: Yeah, that's why it's like funny.
SARAH: Yeah, like if you saw it in your messages it would just be like dancing kwut dat lat dat
KAYLA: Right. That's why it's like just the real ones now.
SARAH: Okay. Sure. Yeah. I appreciate that. Thanks.
KAYLA: Thank you. I'll make a group chat, just the two of us and it'll be called that.
SARAH: That's not a group chat.
KAYLA: Shh.
SARAH: And also, sometimes I want to complain on Twitter about that but then I don't want my friends on Twitter to see me complaining and then they feel…
KAYLA: Okay, you need a second private K-pop Twitter.
SARAH: A lot of people have private Twitters but I'm like I don't… that's the only thing I would complain about
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And you know who I would let follow me? All the people I'm close to.
KAYLA: The people you're talking about.
SARAH: All of them
KAYLA: You just start like vague posting about it.
SARAH: Everyone hates me and wants me to die.
KAYLA: Yeah, that has got to be the answer.
SARAH: Anyway. Pride.
KAYLA: Okay. Here we come to my major… The reason that this year of Pride I think was ass.
SARAH: I'm ready.
KAYLA: Every year there's some group that we're pissed at or we decide isn't queer enough to celebrate Pride this year.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: Like last year... I mean a lot of years…
SARAH: George Santos. Actually, he's just gay enough.
KAYLA: He's not a group, he's just George Santos.
SARAH: That's what you think.
KAYLA: Oh no, there are so many of them, he's multiplying.
SARAH: A group of George Santoses is called a gaggle.
KAYLA: What would they be called? A gaggle.
SARAH: A Republican. A Republican conference.
KAYLA: No thank you.
SARAH: Congress. It's called a Congress of George Santos.
KAYLA: A Congress of George Santos. George Santai. Okay.
SARAH: A former Congress…
KAYLA: Shh. I'm speaking. In many years I feel it is kink that the people are mad about.
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: And I'm sure there was still that this year.
SARAH: They had many years running of like top...
KAYLA: This year the top people we hated were bi people.
SARAH: Oh yeah.
KAYLA: And I am fucking sick of it.
SARAH: Biphobia is back. What is it? 2014?
KAYLA: Biphobia is back and it is here and the people love to be biphobic and then make TikToks about it like explaining why it's not biphobia, why it's like okay that they think this way. No girl.
SARAH: Mm-mm
KAYLA: You're just a nasty bitch lesbian.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: You're just being nasty.
SARAH: Just embrace that you're a mean lesbian.
KAYLA: I saw so many things that were like, just say that you had an ex who cheated on with you with a man and get the fuck over it. Just say that's your trauma and move the fuck on.
SARAH: Yeah. You know who we love? We love fucking people like Renee Rapp who are lesbians who previously identified as bi but who aren't fucking biphobes and who don't like think like, oh, I was just… like, that was just like me like not understood, like, they were, like, no like that was a period in my life where I truly believed I was bi and now I identify as lesbian and bisexuals are valid.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: More of that, less of, well, you married a man, therefore.
KAYLA: The big overall discourse I saw I feel like, well, first it was I don't know much about Fletcher but I feel like a lot of it came from the Fletcher situation.
SARAH: Yeah. Well, Fletcher and Jojo Siwa.
KAYLA: Jojo Siwa, don't get me fucking started on that bitch.
SARAH: But she has never claimed to be bi.
KAYLA: She might have for a second.
SARAH: I think I've always known her to be like either lesbian or just like queer.
KAYLA: Yeah, I have known her as lesbian and then I think she broadened it to queer. My issue with her…
SARAH: Well beyond…
KAYLA: Is that I know the way she manipulates the public and this whole thing, she's bad for queer people.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: This whole thing is just another publicity stunt and it's making people go crazy and it's not real and she's not real and a bitch.
SARAH: I dream of the day when queer people can be horrible.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: And it not be… you know, it's like when people talk about queer romcoms and queer media.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: We want to be at the point where it can be bad and that's not a reflection on all queer media and that doesn't stop people from making queer media in the future.
KAYLA: Yeah, that is what I dream of for this…
SARAH: That's how I feel about Jojo Siwa.
KAYLA: That's how I feel about this podcast.
SARAH: Mm
KAYLA: I dream of the day when there is so much aspec media that it does not matter that we at our core are a shitty podcast.
SARAH: Yeah. No, I… so true
KAYLA: This is a bad podcast that is not educational. It is not on topic. It is barely aspec at this point and that should be fine.
SARAH: We don't want to be activists. Don't make us activists.
KAYLA: We should be allowed to be severely mediocre without your dissertation talking about it, I'll say it.
SARAH: I thought overall that dissertation was quite kind to us.
KAYLA: It was. It was. It was. I just didn't like being perceived. Someone wrote their dissertation about this podcast, can you guys believe?
SARAH: Me and Kayla both read it. Well, skimmed it.
KAYLA: We skimmed it.
SARAH: It was 145 pages.
KAYLA: It was so long and overall it was very kind.
SARAH: It was very kind.
KAYLA: The fact remains that we are such their longest running podcast that we have to be the media used to study the community.
SARAH: Right. The whole thing, not to like blow up this person's spot, but the whole thing was that they were analyzing aspec media and we were one of the only media sources that has been around long enough, has been consistent, has our transcripts available online for your reading and review.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
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SARAH: But don't review them, just view them.
KAYLA: Yeah. And has an open Discord, this person was in the Discord studying
SARAH: This person was in the Discord.
KAYLA: Which like allowed, I've done the same thing for research, like I…
SARAH: Oh, yeah. For all we know, they're listening right now, probably not, but maybe
KAYLA: I don’t think so. They don't follow any of our stuff; I looked.
SARAH: You checked? Amazing.
KAYLA: I checked. I didn't find any one of their names.
SARAH: But like, we are the only ones. And when Kayla like sent this to me and was like, dude, somebody wrote their dissertation on us. And like, I skimmed it. And I was like, my main takeaway was like, oh, that's really cool, but like, I wish it wasn't about us. Not by any fault of the person who wrote it.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But because I wish we weren't the only one. I wish we had competition. Because you know what? The competition would be so much better than us.
KAYLA: Yeah. And like there are a lot more aspec podcasts now, it's just we've been around the longest.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Anyway, I dream of the day.
SARAH: I dream of the day when we… every day we lose relevance is…
KAYLA: And it's lovely. It's lovely. Anyway.
SARAH: What?
KAYLA: Biphobia. So, the first I think it was like early in Pride, Fletcher, and I again don't know much about Fletcher.
SARAH: Okay. The timing of this was so bad.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Here's what happened.
KAYLA: Okay. Thank you. Our preeminent Fletcher expert.
SARAH: I couldn't name a Fletcher song.
KAYLA: Well, the new one.
SARAH: That one I could name. My sister has a Fletcher vinyl at her house because she likes her music, but she admits that she is slightly problematic as a person.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: And that was true before all this.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So, Fletcher, who identifies as queer, not specifically as lesbian, but who is grouped in with all of the lesbian artists, you know, with your Renee Rapps, your Chappell Roans, your MUNAs, your, you know, Phoebe Bridgers, the sapphics, the sapphic artists.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Hayley Kiyoko, you know?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So, Fletcher is in that group. So is often viewed as like a lesbian icon, even though she herself identifies as lesbian.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: She comes out with a song about how she started dating a man.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And how she really likes this man. And how it's just a song. I think it's called ‘Boy,’ right?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: All about how she's dating a man. Like, the song is about it, she's like, “hey, guys, announcement, I'm dating a man.”
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Does this the first week of Pride!
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, any other time people would have been disappointed because she's like kind of like a sapphic icon and they're like, “oh, that's too bad.”
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: But I think people would have been much more receptive to it had she not dropped this song and been like, “surprise, I'm dating a man,” the first week of Pride.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: It was also right after the Jojo Siwa thing happened.
KAYLA: Yeah, it comes with a wave of like queer women, especially like domesticating themselves and like moving toward like a trad wife energy. So yeah, not a good time.
SARAH: Yeah. Like nothing wrong with her dating a man, nothing wrong with her writing a song about it, nothing wrong with her telling people about it. Just the rollout and the timing felt tone deaf.
KAYLA: Yeah, that's fair. I think what is interesting to me is a lot of the frustrations I've seen from lesbians is the reason they don't like bi women and won't date them, won't fuck with them is because they are continuing to center men in their lives. And my thing is if you're going to actively cut someone out of your life because they have a man in it, is it not you who is centering men?
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Bitch!
SARAH: Are you not centering men by saying, “I won't fuck with people who center men.” That's you centering men! Like, why? How? A to B, connect.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Also, I think it's so disingenuous to say I don't fuck with people who center men because we all fucking center men.
KAYLA: Yeah, it's impossible not to.
SARAH: We were raised and conditioned to center men. Our society continues to condition us to center men. It's something you have to actively unlearn every single fucking day.
KAYLA: And also, as a non-man, who clearly one of your values is to not center men.
SARAH: This is Sarah from the future, the irony does not escape me that we're using the term ‘non-man’ when talking about people who are not men, who are centering men, and the term non-man centers men. But that proves my point about how it's impossible not to. We don't even have the vocabulary for it.
KAYLA: Is it not your then responsibility to build community with other non-men to...
SARAH: And to fucking educate them and help them not center men!
KAYLA: To educate them about how to de-center them? Because also, you can still date men and not center men.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: As you all know, I hate men.
SARAH: Exactly.
KAYLA: And there's one in the other room.
SARAH: There's one in her house. There's a man in her house!
KAYLA: He's living in the house! We share a bed.
SARAH: My god, scandalous.
KAYLA: Trust me, I know.
SARAH: I could never share a bed with a man.
KAYLA: But I just like, it just feels so performative, and so just like, why are we doing this within the queer community? When shit is so bad on the outside. Like, why are we doing this?
SARAH: It's also just such a slippery slope to trans-exclusionism.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: It's because you start saying, “this is the only way to be queer, this is the right way to be queer. And you can only be queer in between these specific lines.” And when people deviate from that, you tell them they're bad. And that completely… it goes against the point of being queer.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: It defeats the purpose. And it's so frustrating too seeing... Okay, let's be real, it's a lot of white lesbians.
KAYLA: Yeah, of course it is.
SARAH: Let’s be real about that. But I feel like people have come to terms with the fact that white gays, like male gays, not the male gaze, but male gays
KAYLA: Male gays
SARAH: Can be problematic to the rest of the community.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And like that's something the community has kind of internalized. But I think something that we're also coming to terms with is that white lesbians, just white people in general, but just as a group.
KAYLA: Just white people
SARAH: It's just white people fucking shit up.
KAYLA: White queer people being stinky.
SARAH: And again Renee Rapp, did you see her interview on Ziwe?
KAYLA: Yes!
SARAH: If you haven't seen it, Ziwe... If you don't know Ziwe, know Ziwe.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: She's an iconic interviewer.
KAYLA: She really is
SARAH: But she interviews people and asks them insane questions and puts them in really uncomfortable situations.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And her interview with George Santos is also excellent.
KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: But Renee was like one of her better guests because she was meeting her energy.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And she asked Renee, she said, “if you had to...” I'm looking up what the phrasing was because this is gonna piss me off. Okay. It was, “which do you give less of a fuck about, women's rights or gay rights?” And she, no hesitation, said, “gay rights.” And she said that the more, what is it, the more gay you are, the more homophobic you become, I believe?
KAYLA: Oh, yeah
SARAH: Is what she said?
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Hold on. Exactly.
KAYLA: I think that's so true, to be honest.
SARAH: And basically, she was just saying, like, the problem is white gays.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Really. And she's right.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And then when Ziwe asked her what her favorite Malcolm X quote was, this was related to something else. She had at one point, she had, like, paraphrased a Malcolm X quote for something different. And so, Ziwe was like, “what's your next favorite Malcolm X quote?” And she starts bullshitting so hard that for 30 seconds, she had me. Like, I was like, do you really just have a catalog of Malcolm X quotes? And she was like, “yeah, the one he said about lesbians, about how he said…” and then she was like, “about how he said that a lesbian would rise, a white lesbian would rise.” And Ziwe was like, “oh, I love that one.”
KAYLA: Yeah, that's the best one.
SARAH: But she, for a minute, she really had me. Like, she really seemed like she just had a catalog of Malcolm X quotes in the back of her brain.
KAYLA: If only.
SARAH: Anyway. I forgot. What were we talking about?
KAYLA: White people ruin everything.
SARAH: White people ruin everything.
KAYLA: Oh, I saw a couple of videos, too, from a non-bi queer woman. I'm assuming, actually, yeah, it was lesbians who were talking about how one of their frustrations with bi women is that they, like, lump themselves in with lesbians and try to like act as if they have the same experience. And they were like, “no, the experience of being a lesbian is so different and unique, we have our own unique struggles,” which, like, true.
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SARAH: There's significant overlap, though.
KAYLA: Yeah, but, like, I could understand the perspective of, like…
SARAH: I understand, like, not attracted to men at all. Like, that's not an option for you.
KAYLA: Yeah, like, there is a comfort as a bi woman having to fall back of, like, a straight passing relationship.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: So, like, I understand that. However, again, as we always are talking about, like, the Oppression Olympics, like, so are then you as, like, a white lesbian versus a black lesbian, like, who are we gonna… if we're gonna be doing that, then should you not be comparing yourself to queer people who are black or disabled? Or, like, then who do we?
SARAH: Or, like, what about a white lesbian versus a Black trans lesbian?
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Are you then gonna be a TERF about it and say, “well, a trans person, if they're a lesbian, they're actually straight.” Like, what? Shut the fuck up.
KAYLA: Yeah. Like, obviously, every group is going to have unique differences and struggles with queerness. Like, every other identity is gonna compound and make it a more nuanced experience. But, like, okay.
SARAH: And you know what a big struggle of the bisexual bi-romantic bi- period community is? You. You, motherfucker. You're a problem. You're making it harder for them. Congrats.
KAYLA: Because also, like, so many lesbians will be like, “well, I'm never gonna date a bisexual.”
SARAH: That’s so wild to me
KAYLA: Or, like, if I'm your first experience with a woman, like, I don't want to be your first experience. Which, like, again, everyone has their preferences, whatever.
SARAH: I can understand not wanting to, like, have to, like, hold someone's hand through their, like, gay awakening. I understand that.
KAYLA: I do too. But also, if you're not gonna let them come into the community, then they're just gonna go back to men. If they feel unsafe dating women in the queer community, they're just gonna go back.
SARAH: Also, if every one of you refuses to be the first queer woman they fuck, they're never gonna fuck a queer woman.
KAYLA: Who are they gonna fuck? It's like trying to get a job with no experience.
SARAH: And what? You want them to be stuck fucking men for the rest of their lives?
KAYLA: This is what I'm saying, if you really wanted them to de-center men, you would fuck them…
SARAH: Do it for women.
KAYLA: I said it.
SARAH: Do it for feminism.
KAYLA: This is what I'm saying. Like, how is someone supposed to de-center men when you are not standing there as a woman?
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Bringing them to the other side
SARAH: You don't have to fuck every bi woman, but...
KAYLA: At least be nice to her, Jesus Christ.
SARAH: Yeah. Also, okay, what if there's a woman who you meet who the term that they use is queer?
KAYLA: Excellent question.
SARAH: I assume if you're against dating a bi person, you're against dating a pan person, probably. But what if the term they use is queer? You don't know.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: You don't know how they're using that word, that's the point.
KAYLA: I don't know, man.
SARAH: Also, it's just… like, what? You're gonna force everyone to put on a little badge saying, this is what I am? I won't talk to you otherwise?
KAYLA: Yeah. Or like, what their dating history or sexual history is? Because at that point now we're getting into like gold star gay territory.
SARAH: Exactly. Are you willing to be friends with a bisexual woman? Just not date them? Like, where's the line?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I just think it's all so silly. You know what is exciting?
KAYLA: What?
SARAH: I think I may have mentioned this before. There's a K-pop group that's like a rookie group. It's a boy group, technically, but their concept is literally genderless, that's the point. And they wear skirts sometimes.
KAYLA: Slay
SARAH: They had a song that came out recently where there's literally skirt choreography.
KAYLA: Aw
SARAH: And two of the members like people were using she/her pronouns for them in English, just like for funsies. And then it became like a thing online. You can do that. You can do that. So, someone at a fan meeting literally asked them and was like, “hey, are you comfortable with fans using she/her pronouns for you in English?”
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And first of all, they both said yes. Second of all, one of them was just like, “yeah,” and then like continued doodling on their album that they were signing. It was like…
KAYLA: Like, whatever.
SARAH: They then continued to draw hearts and butterflies. And the other one, I guess, when asked this, went on a rant about none of this matters and how it's all… like, gender isn't real and it's all so stupid. And I'm like, “fuck yeah, I love my non-binary sovereigns.” Anyway, the group is called XLOV. They have like three songs, but we support them.
KAYLA: We stan
SARAH: One of them does front walkovers.
KAYLA: Oh, cool
SARAH: He does like acrobatics.
KAYLA: Wow. What a diverse group.
SARAH: Yeah. And none of them are from the same country. One of them is Uyghur. Isn't that fun?
KAYLA: There's a Uyghur restaurant on my street, it's very spicy.
SARAH: Oh, that’s fun
KAYLA: You know what else I've just thought about?
SARAH: What?
KAYLA: This whole biphobia situation is extremely amatonormative
SARAH: Oh, yeah.
KAYLA: Like, why? Bitch!
SARAH: Yep
KAYLA: I mean, and the ace community and the aro community can get that way too, right? Of like gold star aces trying to like you know, I don't fuck at all, so whatever.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But this at its core is so centering sex and romantic relationships. Like what you were saying, like, can you be friends with a bi woman? Like, what is like the lines that are drawn in community just based on who you fuck or have a romantic relationship with is just like… it comes down to those relationships as where we are drawing these lines.
SARAH: Yeah. Like, okay, I know a bi woman has never dated a woman, has never had sex with a woman, has dated a man, but hasn't had sex with a man either. Is she not a real bisexual?
KAYLA: That’s a good question
SARAH: Is she not a real person because she hasn't fucked a man? Like, is she allowed to be considered attracted to men even though she has dated a man but hasn't fucked a man, but she's not allowed to be considered attracted to women because she hasn't done either with women?
KAYLA: That's a very good question.
SARAH: Like, do you not become a true bisexual or a true lesbian until you fuck the person of the gender that you are supposedly attracted to?
KAYLA: I mean, yeah, that's a whole thing.
SARAH: Am I an amorphous blob?
KAYLA: I guess. But I remember talking about that, like, when I was coming to terms with being bi of, like, the difference between coming to terms with that kind of thing when you're aspec and when the, like, experimentation is gonna look different and, like, less outward. It's like, well, then how are we defining any of this, bitch.
SARAH: Yeah. And listen, my sister is a lesbian. My sister-in-law is bisexual. My sister is the first woman that my sister-in-law ever dated and now they're married.
KAYLA: And here we are
SARAH: And that could be you.
KAYLA: And that could be you. You could have a wife. And here you are being pitiful
SARAH: And here you are.
KAYLA: Wife-less.
SARAH: Wife-less. And also, I feel like I do contribute to this to a certain extent where if a person is bi or pan or queer or whatever and they are in a hetero-presenting relationship, I'm like, “oh, that's too bad.”
KAYLA: Yeah, I mean, there are certain, like… it's tough because the jokes are funny, right? Like the Caleb Hearon interview where he was like, “I love the bisexual, I love all these bisexual women and their boyfriends,” and then people got pissed that he's, like, a racist whatever. Like, yes, there is a certain aspect of comedy to it, but also no.
SARAH: Yeah. Well, I know someone who identifies as a queer woman like, they just use the amorphous word ‘queer’ and started dating a man and it was like, oh, okay. I'm glad you're happy. That's too bad. Then I found out that the man is bisexual.
KAYLA: Huge
SARAH: And that just changes everything.
KAYLA: It does. I mean, to me, the main reason I get upset because there have been some people, some bi women in my life…
SARAH: Because I don't trust a cishet man.
KAYLA: That's the thing, it's like, I think the world of queer women and I want the best for them and we all know my thoughts on men, so, it's never going to be a man. Like, that's why it's disappointing to me, it is because I'm like, “I know how well you could do, and the best you could do is a woman.”
SARAH: But as soon as you say, “oh, that man's bisexual,” I'm like, “oh, okay. So, he's enlightened.”
KAYLA: Yeah, he gets it. It's fine.
SARAH: Like, I immediately trust that person more because they have some… they can't be that horribly over-masculine, like toxic masculinity. They have to have let go of at least some of that to identify as bi.
KAYLA: You would hope.
SARAH: I would really hope.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Imagine someone who's bi who just like views… I mean, I'm sure there’s people like this, people who like view their relationships with people of the same gender versus other gender as like two completely different types of like…
KAYLA: That’s definitely a thing
SARAH: They would approach them differently.
KAYLA: That's absolutely a thing.
SARAH: Yeah, that’s absolutely a thing and it just makes me… it reminds me of a tweet I saw today about… I don't remember how this came up, but it was saying, if you as a man were a woman, what kind of person would you be?
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KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: Oh, it was in the context of people saying the best man out there is about the same as an average woman, because they were saying, you know, a good man has a good job, is good with kids, is clean, cooks, does this that and the other, like doesn't smoke, doesn't whatever.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: And this person was like, “literally every woman I know meets all of those.”
KAYLA: That's a great point.
SARAH: So, the average woman is as good as the best kind of man.
KAYLA: As the best man. I mean, the bar for men is just lower.
SARAH: Yeah. And so, then people were saying, ‘okay, men, if you were a woman, what kind of woman would you be?” And first of all, so many of them said lesbians. And to that, I say, you don't understand. No, no, no.
KAYLA: No
SARAH: You just say that because you want to still be attracted to women.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And then they were saying, “well, yeah, exactly. I'm a man.” And it's like, no, no, no, no, in this instance, you're a woman. But they could not let go of that toxic masculinity at all.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: They couldn't even imagine a world where they didn't feel that crushing pressure of what masculinity is supposed to mean, that they could not even imagine a world in which they weren't attracted to women.
KAYLA: This reminds me of a video I recently saw. There was this man doing like on the street interviews outside of the Red Sox stadium, and he went up to this guy and was like, “who do you think is like the hottest player on the team?” And the guy was like, “well, I'm not gay. I'm not, go away.” And the guy was like, “no, I'm not gay either. I'm just saying appreciating a man's beauty,” you know, and he was like, the guy, they went back and forth for like so long and the guy just like wouldn't do it.
SARAH: That’s so pathetic
KAYLA: And I was like, bitch! And then he ended up asking the guy's friend. He was like, “who's the hottest player?” And the guy was like, “you are.” And he was like, “thanks, man.”
SARAH: That’s all had to say
KAYLA: And that's how they ended the video, and I was like, “ah, I hope they kissed.” But, I was like, “dude, what?”
SARAH: Yeah. Well, and then the comments when all these men were saying, “oh, I want to be a lesbian.” The comments were saying, oh, it's interesting how none of you want to be a housewife. None of you want to be a stay-at-home mom with five kids, that's not something that any of you aspire to because you know it's not a good fucking deal to be subservient to be whatever, but they're just, you know
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: It's just so wild that men, if they were a woman, they wouldn't want to be a trad wife.
KAYLA: Dean wants to be a trad wife.
SARAH: I think Dean would make a good trad wife.
KAYLA: Like Dean, if he had it his way, I would do all the working and making the money and he'd be a stay-at-home dad. Dean would make a good trad wife.
SARAH: I want someone to be like my, not my father, but like my stay-at-home dad, I want someone to just clean my house.
KAYLA: You want a stay-at-home dad!
SARAH: I just want someone to clean and cook for me; I want a mother.
KAYLA: Okay, you move in with me and Dean and Dean will be your stay-at-home dad.
SARAH: But can he cook Sarah foods? Anyone can cook Sarah foods.
KAYLA: And literally I can cook Sarah foods.
SARAH: It's called frozen vegetables, put them in the microwave.
KAYLA: He could make Sarah food very easily.
SARAH: So true. But would he be willing to make separate Sarah food when Sarah doesn't like the big people food?
KAYLA: Probably, because your food takes like two seconds to make.
SARAH: That's true.
KAYLA: Just like plain pork.
SARAH: I season my pork; I'm not a monster.
KAYLA: Okay, well.
SARAH: I'm white, but I'm not a monster. Aren't they a little bit the same? Perhaps
KAYLA: Aren't they a little bit the same?
SARAH: Anyway, is that all?
KAYLA: That's all. You're welcome, everyone.
SARAH: Our poll for this week, what was it? I forgot
KAYLA: What was corporate pride like?
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: In your country?
SARAH: For you, and how did that compare to previous years?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I hope there are places where it was better.
KAYLA: Me too.
SARAH: I really do. Places that are moving forward. Like Thailand legalized gay marriage. I hope their corporate pride was better.
KAYLA: Me too.
SARAH: I love performative activism.
KAYLA: At this point, I'll take anything.
SARAH: I'll take it over nothing.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: Yeah. It's always interesting when you hear stories about kids who don't understand how things could have been previously. I would love to have the kids in the future who are like, “what do you mean they don't turn their logo rainbow in June?”
KAYLA: It's always rainbow in June.
SARAH: That's what June is.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I would love that to be the children of the future
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: We'll see. You can tell us about your beef... That's not where we're at yet. What's your beef and juice?
KAYLA: Great question. My beef is the hot.
SARAH: Mm, toasty.
KAYLA: The heat wave, it is upon us.
SARAH: Sometimes all I think about is you…
KAYLA: I have barely… I’ll let you finish
SARAH: Late nights in the middle of June, heat waves been fakin' me out, can't make you happier now… okay
KAYLA: I have barely been outside this week because it's unbearably hot. I'm on SSRIs, I can't handle that, I feel so restless.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: I will say, though, my juice is that the way my apartment is situated, it doesn't get, like, too, too hot in my apartment and our window units because I don't have central air, of course, because I live in Boston.
SARAH: He he
KAYLA: But our window units have been doing so good, the air conditioning has been lovely and that is very important.
SARAH: That's slay, that's big slay. That was both your beef and your juice, I remembered. My beef, I forgot I wrote it down. There's nothing in my brain. Oh, my beef is that my friend invited me to something this weekend.
KAYLA: Uh-huh
SARAH: She invited me to her Topgolf birthday party.
KAYLA: I'm so bad at Topgolf.
SARAH: I've never done Topgolf before and she invited me to her birthday party on her birthday with her birthday party. But that's not really a birthday party, but it's her birthday party at Topgolf. And I can't go.
KAYLA: Why?
SARAH: I'm gonna be in Michigan.
KAYLA: Tell her to move it.
SARAH: Tell her to move her birthday. Very upsetting.
KAYLA: You'd probably be good. I feel like you'd be good at Topgolf.
SARAH: Uh, here's a problem, left eye.
KAYLA: You have to shoot the other way.
SARAH: I can't do that, that would go bad. I mean, it's much easier to golf than to, like, baseball.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: You know, because baseball, you have to see the ball coming, golf it is just sitting there.
KAYLA: You just have to look at the ground, I don't think you would actually have an issue, you just have to look at the ball.
SARAH: Yeah, that's fair.
KAYLA: You're not supposed to look where it's going, I don't think.
SARAH: Or if you do, it's like, just turn yourself more.
KAYLA: Yeah, I don't actually think it would be a problem.
SARAH: It's already in the air.
KAYLA: I think you'd be fine.
SARAH: Yeah. It's really just baseball, softball, that's a problem for me.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Also, because I would flinch if there was a ball coming at me.
KAYLA: That's where I… yeah.
SARAH: You know, I played ball sports for five years.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So silly. Anyway, yeah, my beef is that I can't go to my friend's birthday. And I was actually invited!
KAYLA: Booooo.
SARAH: My juice, okay, so you know how Yoongi got out of the military?
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: And he didn't do a live. He just made a nice little post on Weverse. And we were like, “he's home. Yoongi Boongi. We love you.” And then a couple days later, we got our first Yoongi Boongi news. You know what the Yoongi Boongi news is?
KAYLA: No.
SARAH: I'm just gonna read you this.
KAYLA: Okay.
SARAH: Severance Hospital & BTS Suga are establishing the ‘Min Yoongi Treatment Centre’ to support Children & adolescents with Autism spectrum Disorder. As well as Suga voicing his intention to donate $3.8 million to help sustain this long-term therapy program for the next 10 years. The center will provide therapies (language, psychology, behavioral) & link research with clinical practice. Its cornerstone is the ‘MIND music therapy program’, co-developed by Suga & Professor Cheon Geunah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He said, “I've been in the military.”
KAYLA: And I've been cooking.
SARAH: “You know what I've been doing every weekend for like a couple months now? Volunteering at this autism center with children and playing music for them.” And he said, “and what if…”
KAYLA: “I gave them all my money?”
SARAH: “And what if I establish a whole center and give them $3.8 million for the little autistic motherfuckers?” And everyone said, “ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Yoooongiiiii, my neurodivergent icon”
KAYLA: What a nice man.
SARAH: So, everyone was very emo, and then there were pictures of him which we hadn't seen, pictures of him in so long.
KAYLA: Oh, that makes sense.
SARAH: And so, you have been playing a little guitar with children? And people were like, “Yoongi booongiiiii.” We love Yoongi-bongi. And then I also saw a funny tweet that I will read to you now.
KAYLA: Okay.
SARAH: “Yoongi played music for autistic children,” and it's just me and my oomphs watching BTS music video in my living room.
KAYLA: Yeah
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SARAH: But people were saying how there's not a lot of... I think the situation for the autistic folk in Korea is worse than it is in the United States. Like, it's just less...
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: I think it's much like the gay rights. It's just less far along in its journey of understanding.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: So, people were like, “Yay!” And I was emo about it.
KAYLA: That's very sweet.
SARAH: Anyway. And then people were like… because you can donate to it. And then people were like, oh, you could also donate to local, wherever you are, autism stuff. And I was like, “I hope nobody donates to Autism Speaks,” anyway.
KAYLA: I'm sure they unfortunately did.
SARAH: But now international people can donate to his thing, so I guess maybe they'll do that.
KAYLA: Perhaps.
SARAH: So that's my beef and my juice. You can tell me about your beef, your juice, and what your corporate pride looked like this year on our social media @soundsfakepod. We also have a Patreon, patreon.com/soundsfakepod if you want to give us money there. We have our $5 patrons who we are promoting this week are Danielle Frye, Emily Jean, Galvin Ford, Green_Sarah, and Iris Tolosa. Our $10 patrons who are promoting something this week are Alastor who would like to promote the podcast 'Shadows and Shenanigans', Ani, who would like to promote the importance of being kind to yourself and others, Arcnes, who would like to promote the Trevor Project, Benjamin Ybarra, who would like to promote tabletop games, and Clare Olsen, who would like to promote Impact_Frame. Our other $10 patrons are Derick & Carissa, Elle Bitter, my aunt Jeannie, Eric, Johanna, Kayla's Dad, Maff, Martin Chiesl, Purple Hayes, Barefoot Backpacker, SongOStorm, and Val. I didn't skip anyone, did I?
KAYLA: I don’t know
SARAH: No, I just did them out of order.
KAYLA: How could you do this?
SARAH: My brain automatically went straight from Elle Bitter to my aunt Jeannie and skipped Eric, but I went back to Eric, so it's fine.
KAYLA: Special Eric shoutout.
SARAH: Special Eric shoutout. Our $15 patrons are Ace, who would like to promote the writer Crystal Scherer, Nathaniel White, NathanielJWhiteDesigns.com, Kayla’s Aunt Nina, who would like to promote katemaggartart.com and Schnell, who would like to promote accepting that everyone is different and that's awesome. Our $20 patrons are Dragonfly, my mom, and River, who would like to promote a few things. First of all, my mom's birthday is upcoming.
KAYLA: Julieeeeee!
SARAH: Second of all, my cat's birthday is upcoming.
KAYLA: Addieeeee!
SARAH: And third of all, they would like to promote Severance Hospital Mind Music Therapy Program, and the Min Yoongi Treatment Center.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: Thank you for joining us. I hope you all had a better pride than, um...
KAYLA: The bisexuals
SARAH: Ever. Thank you for listening, tune in not next Sunday, but next month, in August, on the… what? The third, whatever it is, the first Sunday in August, for more of us in your ears.
KAYLA: And until then...
SARAH: And… Nope, the next… I almost said your line.
KAYLA: And until then, take good care of your cows
SARAH: This is by erasure.
KAYLA: I can't believe this.
SARAH: Bye!
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