Ep 389: Body Trends
SARAH: Hey, what's up? Hello! Welcome to Sounds Fake But Okay, a podcast where an aro-ace girl, (I'm Sarah, that's me.)
KAYLA: And a bi demisexual girl, (that's me, Kayla.)
SARAH: Talk about all things to do with love, relationships, sexuality, and pretty much anything else we just don't understand.
KAYLA: On today's episode… something just fell on my table. On today's episode: Body Trends.
BOTH: Sounds fake, but okay.
SARAH: I was thinking so much about what I was going to say in the next section that I got distracted in the middle of my thing.
KAYLA: You just didn’t say anything instead, that’s too bad.
SARAH: Hey, welcome back to the pod. Happy Pride Month!
KAYLA: Yay! It's Pride 3, Pride 3rd.
SARAH: In honor of Pride Month, we're not talking about Pride at all.
KAYLA: Yeah, when we were discussing today, hours ago what we were going to discuss, as always, of course.
SARAH: Hours is generous.
KAYLA: Yeah. I was like… in my head, I was like, well, we could maybe do something about Pride, and then I was like, ugh...
SARAH: The new Twitter algorithm is like too powerful, so if you like one tweet about something, suddenly you get a ton of that on your feed.
KAYLA: It's so annoying.
SARAH: And I liked one tweet about aces being a part of Pride, and then…
KAYLA: Oh, no.
SARAH: My feed kept giving me downer fucking shit of people clapping back at people who said that. And I was like, no, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, I don't want discourse on my fucking Heated Rivalry Twitter account.
KAYLA: That's tough, you need a separate Twitter for discourse.
SARAH: Well, and I also kept getting… I was getting politics too…
KAYLA: No!
SARAH: But usually politics goes on my K-pop Twitter account.
KAYLA: Right, that makes total sense.
SARAH: So, sometimes I won't like something, or I'll send it to myself on my other account to like it on my other account.
KAYLA: That app is broken.
SARAH: Hunter Biden is on it now, though, and honestly…
KAYLA: Well, thank God.
SARAH: Honestly, it's really funny.
KAYLA: I'm like one degree away from him.
SARAH: Okay. Well, can I… quickly, before we do anything, can I tell you… can I read you a few of the tweets that he has twut in the past, like, day? Two days?
KAYLA: If you must.
SARAH: Okay, someone said… he was talking about how he was seven years sober. And someone was like, “bullshit, that was your bag of coke in the White House.” And he said, “it most definitely was not, I would never have forgotten my drugs.”
KAYLA: That's such a good point.
SARAH: And then someone said, “you sound bitter for someone who benefited from a stolen erection.” It was supposed to say election.
KAYLA: Nice, good.
SARAH: And he said, “I've never stolen an erection in my life.”
KAYLA: He's kind of sly.
SARAH: This person goes, “I want to know how much coke you snorted before posting this tweet.” And he said, “man, if you're going to be mean, at least get it right. I smoked crack. I would never have wasted coke on snorting it.” And then someone said, “Hunter, I'd vote for you. But even if you're sober, which is great, I would require at least one crack joke campaign ad to pledge my loyalty. I await your response.” And he said, “how about, ‘Let's take another crack with a Biden.’ Needs work, but the possibilities are endless.”
KAYLA: He's just having fun.
SARAH: Honestly, it's kind of giving me a little bit of life.
KAYLA: I never watched his interview, my brother-in-law works for Channel 5 News and they had that big interview with him and I don't think I ever watched it.
SARAH: Mm, well...
KAYLA: Well…
SARAH: Well… Okay, do we…
KAYLA: That's not what this episode is about, even a little bit at all.
SARAH: No, not at all. Well, crack? Mm-mm. Cocaine? Mm-mm mm.
KAYLA: Aaahhh.
SARAH: Anyway, okay, let's get into the topic of this podcast. Do we have any housekeeping? It has been two weeks since we've recorded, so I feel like the whole world has gone by.
KAYLA: I know. But we didn't skip any.
SARAH: No, we didn't skip any. Did I edit them in advance? No! I waited until the last possible fucking second.
KAYLA: No! Don't be stupid!
SARAH: Okay, Kayla, what are we talking about this week?
KAYLA: This week, how did I think about it? How did I think of this?
SARAH: You saw a TikTok.
KAYLA: I saw a TikTok? Oh, yes. I saw a TikTok today of this girl that was talking about… she was trying to hypothesize and predict what the next body trend was going to be. And she was saying how, you know, we all know right now, everyone is trying to be super skinny, it's like ozempademic. Is that how they're saying it?
SARAH: I don’t know.
KAYLA: Ozempademic, whatever. Everyone wants to be super skinny. And she was like, but I think that's going to start going away. She was like, now that you can buy being skinny, it's not like… you know, anyone can buy, not… in her words, like anyone can buy being skinny, so, it's not like elite or cool anymore. And she was like, people are saying that it's going to be like super-muscly, that's going to be it. And she was like, I don't know about that one. And then she was like, I just watched the sports... Is it Sports Illustrated that does the swimsuit covers?
SARAH: It's Miami…
KAYLA: Swim Week?
SARAH: Swim Week right now.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Or last week.
KAYLA: Yeah. I saw clips from the Sports Illustrated one because Ilona Maher was in it and I like her.
SARAH: Mh
KAYLA: And what I will say about that one actually is I feel like they did have… it could have been a lot worse on the body diversity.
SARAH: I hit the Miami Swim Week tag on Twitter today just to see what popped up. And most of what was coming up was Megan Thee Stallion, who obviously is Megan Thee Stallion. And I saw another person who was in the Megan… like Megan has her own line of bathing suits. And so, I saw someone who was in her show. So like, obviously that was like a cool, fun person because it's Megan's show. But then the other big news was this girl who was walking for the first time, who I had no fucking idea who she was. She's an OnlyFans person.
KAYLA: Sure.
SARAH: She's one of the co-creators of Bop House. So, then I like went down a rabbit hole.
KAYLA: Indeed.
SARAH: But she is like not stick skinny, like she's skinny, but she's not like her bones are showing, like she has an ass.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And so, I was like, interesting that like the ones that show up the most are these ones. But then I looked into it and I was like, these are people who are all famous for something else, they're not models, this isn't their day job, her day job is ass.
KAYLA: Is ass, so, of course she has ass.
SARAH: As is Megan Thee Stallion's in a different way.
KAYLA: In a different fashion, yeah. But so, she was talking about… she was like from watching this runway show and, you know, swimwear or whatever. She was like, I think the new trend is big boobs, like, I think big boobs are back.
SARAH: Eww!
KAYLA: And then everyone in the comments was talking about, what!?
SARAH: I just don't like that.
KAYLA: Oh, okay. Well, I don't know what to say about that. Me neither because I don't have big boobs, so, I'm kind of like…
SARAH: Do you want some?
KAYLA: No. Uh, I would take like a little maybe.
SARAH: Please take it!
KAYLA: Then everyone in the comments was talking about like, you know, how dystopian it is that we're talking about like body trends and that body trends are a thing, but it is very much so a thing.
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: And we're obviously living in a world right now, at least in America, I don't know what everyone else has going on, where everyone is so scarily skinny right now.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Like it's, you look at certain celebrities and you're like, oh, no.
SARAH: It's not just the United States, because I saw a TikTok with a K-pop artist doing like a dance challenge of their own song, which is very common. And I mean, K-pop stars, especially female stars, have always been very skinny in a way that is… I don't even want to say sometimes, often a little concerning to me.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But she was so fucking skinny that at least all of the English language comments, all of the comments that I was seeing were like, is she okay? Please feed her.
KAYLA: Oh, yeah.
SARAH: So, I don't think it's just a here thing. Although I think it might also be like a recession indicator.
KAYLA: Yeah. Well, that's kind of like the other thing, is then I saw a TikTok a while ago, and I wish I had saved it or liked it or whatever, there's no way I could go back and find it. But I've seen some articles about it too, about how it's like a conservatism indicator and that in times where there's more conservative rhetoric, we're kind of like more right-leaning as a country and a culture that women are getting smaller and smaller and their bodies are being restricted and policed and that that goes hand in hand. So, I found some interesting articles kind of about like tradwife stuff, which I know we talked about last week, and like some really interesting and disturbing stuff relating current videos about like women talking about their bodies and talking about motherhood and femininity and attracting a husband or whatever that's like extremely similar to old Nazi propaganda that is like eww, so.
SARAH: Yeah, I've seen some discourse of people talking about how… I mean, because first of all, we're like going back to like what, like 2000s skinny.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But some people are saying like, honestly, in some ways, it's worse than like 2000s skinny is the ideal because…
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KAYLA: Well, I think…
SARAH: You look back at pictures of people in 2000s and you're like, yeah, they're skinny. And there are some that do look unhealthy.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But I think the share of people who are now looking like straight up unhealthy seems higher.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Maybe that's because we can see more of it with the Internet.
KAYLA: Yeah, I also think part of the problem is like I've heard so many stories of people in the 90s like taking speed and taking different drugs to get super skinny or like smoking cigarettes a ton because it tampers down your appetite or whatever, which I'm sure people are doing now.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But the other thing is now they're prescribed.
SARAH: Right.
KAYLA: So, it's like…
SARAH: Right. So, let's talk about GLP-1s; Ozempic, Wegovy…
KAYLA: And I also… I do have a point to bring this back to sexuality and stuff, but wait… so we’re not…
SARAH: Okay, I'm excited to find out what it is.
KAYLA: Okay.
SARAH: There's Ozempic, there's Wegovy, there's Mounjaro, there's ZepBound, there's a bunch of them.
KAYLA: There's like pills now, it used to be an injection, now I'm seeing them either pills...
SARAH: Yeah. So, here's the thing about GLP-1s, they were designed to fulfill a medical purpose, for a medical need.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: They were originally for diabetics, right? If I'm not mistaken.
KAYLA: For some reason, I think they were also maybe like a heart thing, they were not designed for weight loss, I can tell you that.
SARAH: Type 2 diabetes.
KAYLA: Okay, yeah. That's the original way I had heard of them years and years ago before it became a whole weight loss thing, like years ago.
SARAH: Yeah. But then it started being prescribed as a weight loss drug. I know people who have taken and continue to take GLP-1s as a weight loss drug that has been very helpful for them.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, I don't think it's fair to be like, these are horrible drugs that no one ever should be taking.
KAYLA: Yeah. I've also seen some recent stuff about they're doing research on... It reduces inflammation in the brain, and so they're talking about it as an Alzheimer's and brain disease thing.
SARAH: Oh.
KAYLA: Obviously, like very early research, I'm sure. So, who knows? But I mean there's just so much about these drugs that we don't...
SARAH: That we don't know.
KAYLA: We don't know, yeah.
SARAH: But along with that, that also means that there are negative stuff we don't know.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: I'm not going to go into great detail, but I know of a person who was improperly given GLP-1s to someone who should not have been old enough to take GLP-1s, and it fucked up their gastrointestinal system. Like has been fucking it up for months and months and months, in and out of the hospital.
KAYLA: Eww!
SARAH: So, take it as fucking prescribed, bitch.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So, like, there are positive effects for people who are struggling with weight, people who have type 2 diabetes. There's an increase in people who don't really need it, taking it just for the weight loss effects.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And that's where it starts to get...
KAYLA: The thing that always upsets me about it is... Because yes, there are things like autoimmune disease, type 2 diabetes, other conditions that make it so you put on a bunch of weight, it's really hard to get weight off and then it's making other conditions worse. Like, it's important to lose weight.
SARAH: Yeah. There are underlying things that can get worse if you are overweight, that is a fundamental truth, that's not fatphobia, that is science.
KAYLA: Yeah. The thing that makes me upset is when people who could do other things to lose weight, choose not to, and just go on a drug. Like, I know people who are doctors, who like are young… they're not much older than us, I don't think. And like they have the ability to diet and exercise in a way to get the bodies they want.
SARAH: It's not like they've been trying to do it for years and have not been able to succeed because of various biological reasons.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: Like they could do it, they’re just choosing not to do anything…
KAYLA: They're just choosing not to.
SARAH: And inject themselves with this shit.
KAYLA: Yeah. Like that’s just what makes me… like that and then people who are also like, you do not need to lose weight. If it's purely a cosmetic thing, I’m like, then put the work in. Like, if you really want to cosmetically look different that bad, you need to do the diet and exercise then. Like, it's not a health issue for you, so, stop it.
SARAH: Yeah. As my fucking doctor once told me, even though you don't look it, you are technically overweight.
KAYLA: Oh my God! Brother!
SARAH: And I have gained more weight since then, as I mentioned, because of the fucking… all of the antihistamines that I'm taking.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So, am I technically overweight? Yes. But if someone told me you should take a GLP-1, I would be like, are you fucking crazy?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, I am not the kind of person who needs to be taking that to lose 50 pounds. Could I lose 50 pounds and still be a healthy weight? Yes. But like it's not... Do you understand what I'm saying?
KAYLA: Yes. It’s also like back when I first heard about these drugs and it was for diabetes and stuff, it was like, okay, yeah, you get prescribed by your doctor, this is for your condition. Now there are a lot of doctors and insurances that will not cover it because they know people just use it for weight loss.
SARAH: People abuse it, yeah.
KAYLA: And so now if you medically need it, it's way harder to get it.
SARAH: I know someone who took it for a little bit, ended up having some kind of negative side effects that they didn't like all that much. And their insurance was like, we're no longer going to cover this. So, they just stopped taking it because they were like, between these two things, I'm not fucking doing that. Even though there could have been positive benefits to taking it in the long run, like no.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So, people are obsessed with getting super skinny, even if they are already a healthy weight or a reasonable weight, BMI means fucking nothing, like…ugh.
KAYLA: Yeah. It freaks me out when it's the faces.
SARAH: Whenever I think about how my doctor was like, you don't look it, but you are technically overweight, oh my God! That pisses me off every time.
KAYLA: No. I mean, that’s…
SARAH: It's a crazy thing to say to a person. But BMI means nothing. So that means fucking nothing. But yeah, the faces, you can see it in their face.
KAYLA: The gauntness.
SARAH: There's a gauntness and like the…
KAYLA: The cheeks, the buccal fat removal.
SARAH: The buccal fat removal that people do to make their cheeks look hollow. Like, you don't want chubby cheeks, you don't want to look young and spry, you want to look like a fucking skeleton…
KAYLA: It’s so scary-looking.
SARAH: With Saran wrap squeezed over it.
KAYLA: It really does.
SARAH: And so that's like in and all of these people are getting this to look as skinny as fucking possible. I saw, as it relates to the Miami Swim Week, I saw a tweet that came up on my feed yesterday because someone quote retweeted it being like all that and the swimsuit is really ugly because it is. But it's crazy, it's like a regular triangle swimsuit, like, it's hard for a swimsuit like that to be ugly because it's so basic and yet it's ugly.
KAYLA: That's too bad.
SARAH: This is about Stassi Schroeder. I think it's… I don't know how it's pronounced, Stassi, we're going to say it's Stassi. “Stassi really wanted to look incredible for the show so went on a massive diet, a source shared with the Daily Mail. She skipped breakfast, had only a salad for lunch, and then did not touch a carb after 5 PM. So, she was having only about 600 calories a day,” added the source. “The weight just melted off her body, but that kind of diet is very hard to do because the cravings are insane, Stassi said. It's not easy for her to diet that hardcore, but the results are amazing and she felt great about herself.”
KAYLA: No! No!
SARAH: 600 calories a day is not enough to survive on for a grown human person.
KAYLA: No.
SARAH: And looking at these pictures, like, she doesn't even have that like emaciated look. With that information, I would think that she would look more bony and, like, emaciated than she does. Like, she doesn't look horribly unhealthy, but she also, like… I don't want to be mean and be like, all that and she still doesn't even look like the platonic ideal of a person made out of only bones. But, like… and people in the comments or in the replies said, this person goes, “she literally did a crash course in eating disorder to look like this? She would have been better off eating a healthy amount and going to the gym.”
KAYLA: That's the thing too, it is like, eating unhealthily like that can make your body put on extra weight because your body goes into like freak out mode and it's like, I'm starving so I need to conserve.
SARAH: Yeah, it’s like, I have to save all the fat.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But like the fact that they were proud of this and people are, like, oh my God, that’s so cool.
KAYLA: And advertising, yeah.
SARAH: I've also been seeing an influx of eating disorder Twitter making it onto my feed.
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KAYLA: No!
SARAH: I don't know if that is because there's more of it coming out of the shadows, if that's just the algorithm, if, like, what it…because a lot of it I'm seeing in the context of people being, like, hey, what the actual fuck!? But I've just seen a lot of it and, like, it's so wild, like, reading what these people say. Like, I know it's a mental illness for a lot of these people, like, they literally… like, they need psychiatric help to deal with this.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But the stuff that they say, I'm like… and they're, like, oh, like, this looks so great and it's, like, a person who looks like they're like one inch from their deathbed. And I'm, like, that's scary.
KAYLA: Yeah. I saw… in one of the articles I was reading, they were saying how the hashtag skinny talk on TikTok had reached over, I think two billion views and they were comparing it to 2000s and 2010, like, pro-ana on Tumblr and I was, like…
SARAH: Pro-ana being pro-Anorexia.
KAYLA: Yeah, which was like a whole insane thing that people were doing on Tumblr.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: And I was just, like, I didn't think we would… I thought we had learned a lesson.
SARAH: Yeah, I also saw a tweet yesterday, it's a video of, her name is Eugenia Cooney, she's an influencer, she's an internet personality, she has been on the internet since 2011, so, like, it's not like she's like new age. This is a video of her like dancing... [Video Playing] Oops, shit. And I found this because someone, quote, retweeted it and said, I think I have to give Eugenia Cooney props for, like, still being alive.
KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: And that's extremely valid because when I first saw this, the only thing I could think to compare it to was like a Holocaust victim?
KAYLA: Sarah!?
SARAH: I don't know what else to say, like, people who are, like, truly so starved, and they're, like… and she looks… and that's how she's happy to look and she's acting like she's healthy, but that scares me, so much, that there are people out there who are, like, yes, this is very cool, and, like, little kids who are looking at her and be, like, I want to look like that.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Because that's extremely unhealthy.
KAYLA: I think it is… yeah, with social media, it is so… something that I have found in past years, even, like, I don't know, I am definitely more online than is healthy, but I don't think I realized how much it was affecting me until the past of couple years, like, going to beaches in the summer and seeing normal people in bathing suits. Like, I always have a really hard time bathing suit shopping. Who doesn't? It's just like not fun to try on bathing suits and look at yourself in the mirror. It's like shopping for jeans, you know? It's like, I've never been uglier than when I'm shopping for jeans or a bathing suit.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But then I would go to the beach and I'd be like, oh, these are all, like, extremely normal-looking people of all body types and everyone looks great.
SARAH: It’s because you don’t live in LA.
KAYLA: Well, yeah, that's also true. But it was crazy to me to realize that of being, like, oh, I was really having a hard time with this because I was comparing myself comparing myself to people I'm seeing online when that is not how normal people are looking.
SARAH: Yeah. And, like, the amount of sacrifices those people are having to make to look like that, it's like the average person, it's not worth it.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Also, this is a bit of a side thing, but my sister was telling me about how she had started taking, like, this, like, group fitness class where they do like weightlifting stuff. It's at a studio in Michigan that is… like, it's for women and, I'm guessing, non-binary people only. And I think it was founded by someone who went to the same elementary school as us but was two years ahead of me.
KAYLA: That's fun. Aww!
SARAH: But she was saying how, like, it's the people in the class with, like, the sleeper builds who are like so strong. It was like a 75-year-old woman who was, like, outlifting all of them. And it's something that I have noticed in my Pilates classes that I have been taking is I see people of all body types in these classes, not to say that everyone is, like, whatever. But I do see a good number of people who are, like… they have that kind of like actress influencer body where they're, like, they're thin but, like, they're, like, toned and defined but they're quite thin and will be doing stuff and they will be struggling with stuff that I am fine with. And I'm, like, oh, it's all for show.
KAYLA: Yeah, I think about that a lot too.
SARAH: Like, a body doesn't actually do what a body needs to do. Not that a body needs to do specific weird Pilates stuff. You know what I mean? Like…
KAYLA: Yeah. No, I think there is this huge influx of gym influencers but I think a lot of it, for anyone, not just women, it is purely aesthetic. Like, there is a gym girl body. Like, they do all of the ass workouts. Like, yes, like you're saying, they're very toned, it's like…
SARAH: Like visible abs.
KAYLA: Yes. But it's not… because that's also part of the thing, in order to have visible abs, you need to like… that's more of a diet thing than an exercise thing.
SARAH: Not when you're Sarah Costello at 10 years old.
KAYLA: Okay, well, that's just a 10-year-old. 10-year-olds are just, what are they doing over there? But, like, you could have extremely strong abs and not be able to see them because there's a normal layer of fat over it, you know?
SARAH: Yes.
KAYLA: But, yeah, I think that is another thing of, like, oh, that's a gym person. Like, they must be super healthy. No.
SARAH: They might look skinny and they might even look strong and some of them are. Like, I don't mean to say that, like, they're all, it's all just for show but, like, a lot of times I'm like, oh, like, I am over here with my doctor telling me I'm technically overweight and I am able to do this better than you are. Also, there's more weight on my body so I'm pulling more weight total.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And I'm like, oh, okay, so, like, it means nothing. Nothing means anything.
KAYLA: Nothing means anything. I mean, bodies are just physically like different, like, just…
SARAH: And there are people who, like, struggle to stay a healthy weight in the other direction, too.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, they're just naturally, like, they struggle to put on weight.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And, like, it's just… so much of it is just, like, a genetic lottery.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: That's just, like, but people are like… but people take that and if they won the genetic lottery, they're like, I just… I was grinding and I worked hard and you can do it, too, but it's like, sure, maybe, but there are other things that cannot… you can't grind past, like, certain genetic things.
KAYLA: Genetics, yeah.
SARAH: Okay, but let's talk about women being super skinny as it pertains to women taking up space and conservatism because you kind of started and then you kind of took a turn and I think we should turn back onto that avenue.
KAYLA: I agree. And I think this is where we could also bring it back to the topic of our program, which is sexuality and gender.
SARAH: Yes.
KAYLA: I mean, from the stuff I was reading, none of it is a surprise, I think, of it is this turn back to traditional roles for women, which is, like, in the home, being a provider, like, attracting a husband, you know, being very feminine, whatever, and that's all in a very white viewpoint and so it's this very, like, skinny white blonde woman, like, on one of those, like, 1950s posters, you know, like, I think… what I was reading, here, there was a good quote, let me just find it for you.
SARAH: It's not Rosie the Riveter, it's, like, Girl Next Door.
KAYLA: Yes. So, I was reading an article from Dazed Digital called ‘The Beauty Backslide: Inside the return to conservative, skinny ideals,’ which is a very good article, and there was a quote from an author who, I guess, has a book coming out about the topic.
SARAH: This article was from last year, so it might be out.
KAYLA: True. But her quote was saying that beauty is inherently political. It is the language of who is seen as safe, valuable, desirable, and worthy of respect. The current beauty ideals aggressively promoted through both traditional and digital channels serve as a method of societal control, distracting from collective action through hyper-individualized self-scrutiny. And it kind of goes on to talk about, you know, if you're so worried about self-policing yourself and fixing your flaws, then you're going to be less concerned about what's going on out in the world. And the article also kind of goes on to talk about, you know, like, restrictions of access to abortion and, you know, like, health care for women, talking about the incentives the government has talked about giving women to like have children and get married. Like, you know, we've talked about that kind of stuff before. But so, it is all… I mean, it's all just a different way to police people's bodies.
SARAH: Yes.
KAYLA: And I think there's also a big overlap between like a tradwife influencer, I don't think I've ever seen a tradwife influencer who's not, like…
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SARAH: No, I can’t think of one.
KAYLA: Tiny, skinny, like, middle-50s housewife-looking.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Like, there may be, like, that one woman is not white, I don't think, but then she's like the only one I…
SARAH: Nara Smith?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Yeah, she's not white.
KAYLA: So that's the only person I could think of that's not, like, some white lady, you know?
SARAH: Yeah. Yeah. Yeaaahh. I've also seen discourse related to that about how wanting women to be smaller and so skinny is also about not allowing them to take up space, both metaphorically and physically. And it's a reflection of other values and backsliding we've seen. Recently, I've seen a couple of tweets from… that have just… like, people have tracked down and then, like, quote retweeted. I saw one the other day, I don't remember what team it was, it was an NHL team. They had tweeted, it was from 2020, July of 2020. And they had tweeted something about, like, Breonna Taylor's killer, how, like, he should be in jail.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And this was a tweet from an NHL team.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I don't know if y'all know, the NHL, the fandom, the players, very conservative as far as professional sports go. Like, it's a bunch of white guys.
KAYLA: Yeah, it's not great over there.
SARAH: It's very conservative. That's part of the reason why Heated Rivalry is, like, it was such a thing for them to be together in Heated Rivalry, because it's a very fucking conservative world. And, like, they were tweeting that shit in 2020. And how fucking different of a world it is six years later, that now it's, like, a lot of sports teams aren't even, like, doing the like pride logos.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, they're not, like… it was such a different world back then, because you had fucking… I mean, Megan Thee Stallion is obviously still a stallion, and we fucking love her. But, like, you know, she… it was, you know, body-ody-ody, you know, and now it's just, like… and, like, even the Kardashians are like shrinking their butts and…
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And Meghan Trainor on Ozempic…
KAYLA: I know
SARAH: Now, like, skinny, I don't think she's even allowed to sing All About That Bass anymore.
KAYLA: I know, I mean…
SARAH: It would be ironic in a horrible way.
KAYLA: I feel conflicted about stuff like that, even though, because, like… I don't know, it's so hard, because on the one hand, it's hard to see, like, every celebrity being super tiny, that sets like a terrible example. But I've also heard celebrities like Meghan Trainor in interviews being like, my weight was a health concern, and I needed to do this. And some have said…
SARAH: I think I've heard… because Lizzo lost some weight, too.
KAYLA: Yeah. And I think Lizzo said, like, I never went on any medication. She was, like, I just did this, like, diet and exercise. And she was, like, it was a health concern.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: And then you think back to, like, Chadwick Boseman, and people were making so many comments about his physical appearance and how, like, sickly he was looking and then it turned out, like, he was sick.
SARAH: He was dying of cancer.
KAYLA: He was dying of cancer. So, it's hard, because on one side, it's like, this is a terrible example for people, when it's people that don't need to be doing this. But then how do you know if it's like a real health concern that people are doing it?
SARAH: Right. And I was telling Kayla about this. I was trying to find these tweets that I saw last night, and I could not for the life of me find them. And then I just got sucked into Twitter.
KAYLA: What you're going to do?
SARAH: But I saw some tweets where this person was basically saying that they were overweight, they like identified as a fat person. Their doctor put them on Ozempic, they lost like 50 pounds. I guess they'd had like forever period where they were just like having their period like constantly all the time. And, like, their period regulated. There were, like, a lot of benefits. And they were saying that it was almost difficult for them, because it was almost proving that when doctors carelessly are just like, oh, it's just you need to lose weight. Like, all of your problems will be solved if you lose weight. Like, it almost felt like it was proving them right.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And so, then there was some discourse from other people about how… I kind of touched on this a little bit earlier, about how our conception of, like, what fatphobia is, is so one-dimensional that people… on one hand, it is true that a lot of doctors, especially when it comes to women and women's health issues, they're just like, oh, you need to lose weight. Like, we're not going to look into this, we're not going to do any testing, like, you just need to lose weight and then you'll be fine.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And that's very dismissive and bad. On the other hand, there are a lot of underlying health concerns that exist when you are overweight and losing weight can help you be healthier, live a longer life. And so, like, both of those things exist at the same time. And so, like, a doctor being like, maybe you should lose some weight is not necessarily fatphobia, it can be given context. But, like…
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: It's different. And we just don't have that nuance when we're talking about it.
KAYLA: No. And I think there's also just, like, not a good understanding of, like… probably even among medical people, because, like you said, the BMI is so fucked up of, like, what actually is a healthy weight.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Like, when you look at these supermodels that are super skinny, and then people of, like, normal sizes, and people that are normal look so much bigger, and it's like, no, but that… they're healthy. Like, they're fine.
SARAH: And people are like, oh, like, that's like a mid-sized person. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
KAYLA: Yeah. That's just, like, a normal person, like, that is not…
SARAH: Yeah. And like, people carry their weight differently, people are built differently. So, like, I know people who are naturally so fucking stick skinny that maybe they're the same height as me.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But their like baseline of what a healthy weight is, is not going to be the same as mine.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Because if I weighed as little as they do, I mean, maybe technically I would be in the right zone on the BMI scale, but, like, it would not be healthy for me.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So…
KAYLA: So… yeah. Okay, here's my question. Do you think that these… okay, I guess starting out, how much do you think these body standards come from people wanting to be attractive to, like, for dating purposes? Do you think it's more of a thing of, like, I want to appear skinny because that is what, like, society wants or like, my fellow women want to see me as? Or is it, like, I care about this because I'm trying to like attract a person?
SARAH: I think it's definitely a mixture of both. I think, especially in these communities, like, eating disorder Twitter and, like, pro-ana, whatever, like, they are doing that for each other.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like other people, normies, if you will, look at them and are, like, not to be, like, whatever. They don't necessarily find that attractive if they're not in that world. And so, they're not doing it for those people, they're doing it for the in-group of the people who, like, share their values of looking like a stick. I saw a video recently where this person had befriended someone, they were in like the rave scene and they befriended someone who seemed chill and fine and that person was trying to get into the rave scene more and so, like, he would invite them, but then they would… and they would bring their friends. But then they would go to the rave and then they and their friends would be separate and, like, not interact with him at the rave at all. And he was like, okay, that's a little bit weird. And then he had some health problems, he lost a bunch of weight. And suddenly, they wanted to be his friend and they were inviting him places and actually spending time with him. And then he noticed that one of their friends started gaining weight and that person got iced out.
KAYLA: What the hell!?
SARAH: And then he eventually put the weight back on because he had lost it in an unhealthy, sickly way and then they didn't want to be friends with him anymore.
KAYLA: That’s insane.
SARAH: Like, it was literally that clear to him, like how that all happened. And I think there's definitely a lot of that within groups. I saw a similar video, not really similar, but… you'll see. The other day, it was one of those, like, man on the street interviews where they just, you know, pull someone. And it was a photo of five, like, of the same man's arm, but one was super skinny and then one was like, stronger and more cut. And then like more, more, more, more until like number five was like, roided out veins, you know.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And it was these men asking women, they were like, what is the most attractive to you for like a boyfriend? And without fail, all of them said two or three. Some of them said maybe up to four, but like they were all in the two or three zone. And the men were like, what do you mean? Like at one point, because they were like, of course, like four or five, like, you're like huge, you’re like roided out. And at one point, the woman was like, yeah, like, like she even mentioned steroids. She's like, that's not like natural, I don't want that.
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KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And he literally, he like paused and he goes, well, that's just incorrect. And she was like, it's an opinion, I can't be wrong, like, it's an opinion. But like, it really exposed like, men who are being like super gym rats, like, roided out gigantic Dwayne the Rock Johnson muscles, that's not to attract women.
KAYLA: No, they’re doing it for each other.
SARAH: Maybe it's to attract a very specific type of woman, like a bodybuilder. I saw a video of a bodybuilder today, a woman…
KAYLA: Bodybuilders scare me.
SARAH: It was so terrifying. Her butt didn't look like a real butt. I was scared, I was scared.
KAYLA: They're always so orange.
SARAH: But… like, maybe there's a certain type of woman who might be interested in that because she has similar values.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But like, on average, that's not for fucking attracting a woman, that's for peacocking to other men. And so, I think there is that. I think maybe that… I think… maybe this is a hot take, I think maybe that's more than half, I think maybe that's more than 50% of the reason people do stuff.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I think there is definitely is some level of like, doing something to be attractive to the other sex or whoever you're attracted to.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: I think women get shit for doing it more, because not to be stereotypical, but I do think women, especially if we're talking about like straight and straight relationships, like women tend to put more time and care and thought into their appearance.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And also, like, women know how to use what they have when they want to use what they have, they also know how to not when they don't want to.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And men, you know, if they really want something, they don't fucking care whether you're inviting it or not. But like, you know, like, I think there are absolutely times when women are like, yes, I'm going to like, dress scandalously, because I want to like, pick up a guy or whatever.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I think men do that less because, again, this is major stereotype, but like, they expect women to come to them, like they expect that they just naturally attract women. I don't know if it's an ego thing or like… they don't know what women actually want. So like, why would they do it? Whereas women, I think have a better idea of what men actually want, whether or not they choose to do that.
KAYLA: Yeah. I think it's also just less socially acceptable for men to put in the effort, A, into their physical period, like, I think it's very normal for a woman to be like, I'm going to like put the time and effort into like dressing up and doing this, whatever, like for men, I don't think it's as socially acceptable to like, put the time or money or effort into like looking good.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Or into like, thinking about what a woman wants. Like, I think, obviously, that's very attractive to women…
SARAH: Women are conditioned to think about what the men in their lives want and men are not conditioned to think about what the women in their lives.
KAYLA: Yeah. Like, again, stereotyping, but thinking about just like a bunch of dudes hanging out, like, I can just envision being like, oh, dude, why are you like, whatever, that's so gay, you know, like, obviously, that is not all men, there are like very delightful men.
SARAH: Like, what do you mean you pushed up your button down sleeves up to your elbow so that your forearms were out? That's obviously to attract a woman.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Not that any of them would fucking know that, but like, you know.
KAYLA: I don't know, man, some of them are getting smart, and it scares me.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: It’s because they have girlfriends that read, they're learning.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: And then they break up with that girlfriend, and now they're out in the wild, knowing…
SARAH: And they keep the knowledge.
KAYLA: Right. They have boyfriend knowledge now, but they're out wild and free with that, it’s scary out there.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I say, I haven't dated in a decade.
SARAH: I haven't dated ever. So, I think… honestly, I think it's more than 50% of the little gremlin and the subconscious telling you to do a certain thing, I think it's mostly for whatever in groups you're in.
KAYLA: Yeah, which makes sense.
SARAH: Like, I sometimes I'm like, I just want to dress super gay today.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm. Well, okay, so that gets into my other thing, because I feel like I don't notice these trends as much among queer people. I can't think of a single like queer celebrity that I'm like, ah, girl… that's not true, gay men, I've seen some gay men that I'm like, ah, get off the Ozempic, girl. But in like a twink way, so, I'm like, that makes sense for your culture.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But like, I'm trying to think of like a single gay woman that I'm like, I'm worried about you, Queen.
SARAH: I don't know, I mean, there got to be some.
KAYLA: Are gay people just like above it all? Like, I don't know.
SARAH: I don't think it's that, I don't know. Maybe it's because women… because the… who you are attracted to has a more similar body situation to you, you understand what it takes to have to do that. I also think like, if you're attracted to women, I feel like a lot of times, like you'll hear people who are attracted to women like talk about like, ooh, curves, like that's what you want. And so, if you're Ozempic-skinny, I don't think that's mostly for men, I think that's mostly for other women and for society at large.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: If you really wanted to like attract men, then maybe you would be a little more curvy. And so, I think… I don't know, maybe, I don't know…
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I don't know.
KAYLA: No, but I also think it's a good point, like thinking about the gay aesthetic. Like, I think you're right, people dress for their in-group, people dress and want to look like the people that they are like, they want to fit in a certain way.
SARAH: They want to be recognized, they want to… yeah.
KAYLA: Yeah. Like dressing in a gay way is like, I want people to clock me as gay, I want to look like I'm part of this community. In my mind, when my picture that…
SARAH: The first day of pride month, my coworker walks into my office and she looks at me and I'm wearing a backwards baseball hat.
KAYLA: Right, of course.
SARAH: And the first thing she says to me is, “Happy Pride!”
KAYLA: Happy Pride!
SARAH: Like, it's that sort of situation.
KAYLA: Yeah. But to me, when I envision that, it's not like someone is super skinny. So, part of me is just like, is the gay aesthetic so different from the straight aesthetic that it's just not… like, because I feel like the things that are super in right now, like clean girl aesthetic, like, that just doesn't feel gay to me.
SARAH: No.
KAYLA: Like, I'm sure there are…
SARAH: It feels very femme and there are absolutely femme gay women.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And again, this is a generalization, I don't know if this is a stereotype, this is a generalization. In my mind, I feel like femme queer women tend to have more unique individual senses of style rather than following this big trend.
KAYLA: Like the trends, yeah.
SARAH: So, like yes, you're still femme, but you're not necessarily femme-presenting in the way that a straight girl is. Maybe you're not clockable at all, but if we're talking averages here.
KAYLA: I think it's also just the aspec lenses of it all, I feel like it's maybe easier for a queer person to look at what's going on and to clock like, hey. Instead of blindly following the trend, it's like, hey, you guys, what are we doing?
SARAH: I saw a tweet the other day about this person was with their father and they saw out in the wild a trans man who was passing, but four foot 11. And so, OP, a queer person, looked at that four foot 11 trans man and said, oh, that's a trans man. This person's dad, the guy walks away, this person's dad goes, “that's the shortest man I've ever seen.”
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Because he didn't clock it at all. And so, I think it's also just like queer people know what to look for in finding other queer people. And so, you'll see some people are very obviously gay anyone can clock them, but other times you'll see someone who like, a straight person will be like, oh, you know that person. And you're like, oh, that person is queer. And they're like, really? And I'm like, it's obvious to me. Like, you can't tell? Fucking Hudson Williams with straight people being, oh, he’s straight. What the… fuck off! Anyway… nope, we won't speculate on people’s sexualities.
KAYLA: Uh-uh. So, I just think it's interesting, like when I think about this epidemic of skinniness and clean girl aesthetic, like it just doesn't feel queer to me.
SARAH: No, it doesn't. And I'm sure there are subsets of queer people where like… like, I don't know, it's just… I don't see them, like, it's not in the realm of things that I see.
KAYLA: Yeah, I mean, yeah, obviously, a lot of this is very like generalizations, just looking at like the culture as a whole, like obviously…
SARAH: Like culture, what we see on our internet.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: That is a good point though. Which I mean, I think that also maybe speaks to the conservatism of it.
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KAYLA: Uh-huh.
SARAH: Because if being super skinny is a conservative act, if it is a right-wing act, then queer people are less likely to want to pursue that or they're less likely to want to pursue it for that reason.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So, they won't just be like, well, I want to be skinny so that I can be like, girl next door, buccal fat removal.
KAYLA: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think there's a difference between like choosing to do it for aesthetic reasons versus like a mental illness and eating disorder, obviously.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But I think yes, tying it into like the conservatism, the body policing into like motherhood and tradwivery, like that's not something queer people are doing. And so, if that's the pipeline that people are like getting into it with, or it's like you're being fed people that look like this, because you're on that algorithm, like queer people probably aren't going to be in that algorithm, they're not going to see that aesthetic of person as much and not feel like the pressure to look like that.
SARAH: And you also see like, it's, you know, these famous people, these actors, and like a lot of times, in the 21st century, in 2026, culture is not a monolith anymore. Like, we don't all have the same famous people.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: You know, like people that are really famous to me, a straight woman in rural Montana may have never fucking heard of, and the people who are famous to her, fuck if I know… like, when someone is like, oh, like, here's this song by this person, it was like number one for a month. And like, you know this song, and then they play the song, and I've never heard it in my fucking life.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, we don't have a monoculture anymore. So, like the big culture, like the actors and the musicians who are being super skinny and like gaunt faces, like, if those aren't your idols, if those aren't the people that you follow, then you're not going to be as compelled to be like them.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm.
SARAH: Man, I just keep… so much has changed since 2020, we were talking about this today, because we have a new intern and she graduated high school in 2022.
KAYLA: That's crazy.
SARAH: And so, we were talking about, like, the four of us, like my two co-workers, one of whom is closer to her age, one of them is like in between and then there's me. And I was like, I did not have any COVID in my school. One of them was like, it was like the end of high school, the beginning of college. And then like the other one was like, college was mostly fine, but like high school. And we were just like talking about that era and then it's like so much has changed and backslidden and… like it sucked, but it was also better in so many ways.
KAYLA: Yeah. I am sure there are… thinking back to like our past pride episodes, I am sure there are several where we're complaining about corporate pride and how everyone is doing it just to do it. And now I'm like, I wish we could go back to the time…
SARAH: Change your fucking profile picture
KAYLA: Well, because I remember us talking about it as like, they're just doing it because they know this is where the customer base is at, like they know…
SARAH: I wish that's where the customer base was these days.
KAYLA: I know. And that's the thing, it is like, we were complaining about like, you don't do this because of your values, you're only doing this because this is where the money is.
SARAH: And now that’s not where the money is.
KAYLA: And now obviously they've moved to where the money now is, which is conservative. And now I'm just sitting here thinking like, man, I shouldn't have complained. Like, I wish I could have your just in it for the money back, but in the other way.
SARAH: Yeah. I have seen a couple of tweets from Republican politicians about Pride Month being like pro-Pride Month and like… from like fucking Ted Cruz or Rubio or something, it was one of those guys.
KAYLA: Interesting.
SARAH: One of those Texas guys. Rubio is from Florida, isn't he?
KAYLA: I think so.
SARAH: It doesn't matter, he's Cuban. But I think it was Ted Cruz, anyway. But like people were saying like, okay, if you're tweeting this, what the fuck are your internal polls saying? Like, you know, if this is where society is and you are still being like, but actually gay people are cool. Like there's clearly something going on in your internal polling, which makes you think that you have to do that.
KAYLA: And I think they're losing people, like, have you heard about the like the… ‘Are you thinking about leaving MAGA?’ billboards that have been going up?
SARAH: No.
KAYLA: It's this man… I read some about it, but there's these billboards going up, I forget what the website is, but it's basically like a help group for like, are you having second thoughts? Are you trying to leave MAGA? And it's like this guy who… it was after… it was one of the mass shootings, it was after that, and this guy was like, I couldn't do it anymore.
SARAH: Like, what the fuck I’m I doing?
KAYLA: Like, I had seen the error of my ways. And so, he started this like support group for people that were like leaving.
SARAH: That’s really good.
KAYLA: I know.
SARAH: Especially because like, I feel like it's so easy on the left to be like, it took you this fucking long. Like, it's so easy to be like…
KAYLA: Like, I told you so.
SARAH: I told you so. But that is not how you… that's not how you big tent, baby.
KAYLA: No.
SARAH: Like that's not how you bring them in.
KAYLA: That’s not, yeah.
SARAH: So, it's good to have like a group like that where it's like, okay, yeah.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: No, I haven't seen those billboards, I have seen several billboards around where I live that say, “sue your boss.”
KAYLA: I love that, I do love that.
SARAH: There's also a billboard right outside of my house. Oh, it's not lit up. Oh, it says, “cap lawyer fees, lower your insurance, save driver's money every year.” Okay, that's not the one I thought it was. Previously, there was one right outside my house that was basically like, this is where your fucking tax money is going to, it's going to kidnapping people.
KAYLA: Oh.
SARAH: And I was like, okay. I mean, I kind of wish I had gotten like a Kenneth Mejia for Controller Mejia, maybe in LA. One, because he has corgis and the corgis are on his billboards, but, you know.
KAYLA: I don't have any billboards near me, so, I don't know what they're saying.
SARAH: Well, you know, I kind of wish I didn't have a billboard directly outside my window.
KAYLA: That's fair.
SARAH: But here we are.
KAYLA: We have the… sign, it's moving right now though, it's a whole thing.
SARAH: I have Sinclair.
KAYLA: They're moving the sign 20 feet back and like 200 feet up.
SARAH: Oh, good.
KAYLA: Big deal, guys.
SARAH: The cost of gas at the Sinclair across the street for cash, or a Sinclair card, whatever the fuck that is, $5.89
KAYLA: Is it a different price if you pay in cash?
SARAH: Almost always.
KAYLA: I don’t buy gas.
SARAH: Like pretty much every gas station in the country, there’s a cash price, and then the card price is ten cents more.
KAYLA: That's crazy.
SARAH: That was the whole thing with… what’s it fucking called? The ARCO. ARCO has since started taking credit card, but they used to be cheaper because they only took debit.
KAYLA: Huh! I don't have a car, so.
SARAH: Yeah. And you never liked driving even when you had it, right?
KAYLA: And I never liked it, I never wanted to do it, I'm very pleased over here not driving, taking my bus every day.
SARAH: Gas has gone down though; $5.89 at the place across the street, which is not the cheapest place, it's not bad.
KAYLA: A steal.
SARAH: It's a fucking steal. I still have not had to pay over $6 for gas. And every time I'm like, thank fucking God. The day I have to pay more than $6 for gas, I will... Kayla, what's our poll for this week?
KAYLA: Are you skinny? No.
SARAH: I'm curious about people's thoughts on like GLP-1s because I think it's going to be a mixed bag because I think they are very good for some people.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And then there are some people who are taking it who it's like, why the fuck are you taking it? Like, you don't need that…
KAYLA: You don’t need that.
SARAH: You're just trying to have an aesthetic change.
KAYLA: Yeah. You didn't need to lose weight.
SARAH: And yet, here we are.
KAYLA: Here we are.
SARAH: Or like, maybe you could have lost a little weight, but like… like maybe 10 pounds, you don't need fucking Ozempic for that.
KAYLA: No, just like, go on a walk, girl.
SARAH: Just walk more often.
KAYLA: If it means that much to you, get your steps in.
SARAH: I've been trying to walk more often, come on now.
KAYLA: Like you can… just put the work in if you want it so bad.
SARAH: Yeah, but people aren't willing to put the work in, they would rather just throw money at it.
KAYLA: Kids these days! Not willing to put the work in.
SARAH: And especially now that they can come in pills, because previously, you had to give yourself a shot every week or every two weeks, and they had to be refrigerated. So, it was kind of difficult, but now that they have started making GLP-1s that can be taken as a pill, oof.
KAYLA: And who's going to stop these people from taking too many of them? You know?
SARAH: Yep. I wouldn't… like, Kayla, are people going to start fucking overdosing on GLP-1s?
KAYLA: Probably.
SARAH: Kayla, what's your beef and your juice for this week?
KAYLA: My beef is my throat is scratchy.
SARAH: Relatable.
KAYLA: I'm scared. A bug! Wow, that's a large bug.
SARAH: Wow!
KAYLA: I killed it. Oh, I just cleaned my desk, man. Now there's a bug on it, I have squashed bug guts. My beef is I have squished bug guts on my desk now. My juice is that commencement is over.
SARAH: Yay!
KAYLA: We survived. Girl, a time was had.
SARAH: You did it, you're so brave.
KAYLA: A time was had, but now it's over.
SARAH: Now it's over. My beef is my mouth, the non-zero chance that I might have to get a root canal.
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SARAH: My other beef is Adderall, the drug, not the cat, stupid lying pharmacy. The California elections, primary elections. My juice is that I went to a birthday party for cats over the weekend. It was a birthday party for cats, they turned one.
KAYLA: How many?
SARAH: Two. Their names are Chamomile and Jasmine, or Cammie and Jazzy.
KAYLA: That's cute.
SARAH: Mm-hmm, they're sisters. Um, yep. And they're very nice and affectionate and we're going to try and introduce them to Addie.
KAYLA: Oh, boy. Are you sure?
SARAH: We haven't planned it yet, but that is in the cards. All right, you can tell us about your juice, your beef, your thoughts on Ozempic on our social media @soundsfakepod. Our $5 patrons who we're promoting this week are Rick Turpin, SammyO, Scott Ainslie, Simon, and Snordstorm. Our $10 patrons who are promoting something this week are Johanna, who would like to promote being kind to one another. Kayla's dad, who would like to promote JandiCreations.com. Maff, who would like to promote the Don't Should Sweatshirt. Martin Chiesl, who would like to promote his podcast, Everyone’s Special and No One Is. And Purple Hayes, who would like to promote the musician Vinther. Our other $10 patrons are Quartertone, Barefoot Backpacker, SongOStorm, Sydney Price, Val, Alastor, Ani, Arcnes, Benjamin Ybarra, Clare Olsen, Danielle Hutchinson, Derick & Carissa, Elle Bitter, Eric, and my aunt Jeannie. Our $15 patrons are Ace, who would like to promote the writer Crystal Scherer. Nathaniel White, who would like to promote NathanielJWhiteDesigns.com. Kayla's aunt Nina, who would like to promote katemaggartart.com. And Schnell, who would like to promote that everyone is different and that's awesome. And also, accepting that thing. Accepting that thing? Our $20 patrons are Changeling & Alex, who would like to promote their company ControlAltAccess (dot com), and Dr. Jacki, Dragonfly, my mom, and River, who would like to promote not having teeth like mine and my mom's, which she gave to me.
KAYLA: Oh, Julie!
SARAH: If I have to get a root canal I'll be so upset.
KAYLA: That's fair.
SARAH: I've already spent so much money. Thanks for listening, tune in next Sunday for more of us in your ears and an update on my teeth.
KAYLA: And until then, take good care of your cow's teeth.
SARAH: Brush them. Floss them. Mouthwash them.
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