Ep 2: Romantic vs. Platonic Relationships
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SARAH: Hey what's up hello. Welcome to Sounds Fake But Okay, a podcast where an aro-ace girl (I'm Sarah. That's me.)
KAYLA: ...and a straight girl (that's me, Kayla)
SARAH: talk about all things to do with love, relationships, sexuality, and pretty much anything else that we just don't understand.
KAYLA: On today's episode, romantic relationships are more important than platonic ones.
ALL: Sounds fake, but okay.
KAYLA: What is up my dudes? Welcome back (laughs).
SARAH: What are they welcome back to?
KAYLA: The podcast (laughs).
SARAH: Good one.
KAYLA: I already introduced it.
SARAH: Kayla, what are we talking about this week?
KAYLA: Romance is dead (laughs).
SARAH: Romance is dead. No. Basically, I have a bit of a, it seems, outwardly controversial opinion, but I think if you guys will hear me out...
KAYLA: Yeah, Sarah just has some feelings.
SARAH: I have FEELINGS about this.
KAYLA: For once in her life, Sarah has some feelings.
SARAH: Listen, don't perpetuate stereotypes of ace people have no feelings, Kayla.
KAYLA: That's true, you have a lot of feelings.
SARAH: I have a lot of feelings.
KAYLA: You cry a lot.
SARAH: (laughs) Okay. But yeah, so basically I've got a lot of things to say.
KAYLA: She does.
SARAH: And I don't really know where to start so we're just starting.
KAYLA: We out here though.
SARAH: We out here. So basically, I don't know if any of you guys live in this world but I think most of you do, and in the society that I live in, and the one that you live in Kayla, congratulations.
KAYLA: Michigan.
SARAH: Good one. But basically, something I have found in my experience as an ace person, which I'm sure you guys have also experienced? But if you are not aro-ace you may not have noticed it? Is that... is the way society views romantic relationships versus platonic relationships and the way it values or does not value them. So I'mma give y'all a little example for starters. So if you think about… say Kayla has had an emergency and Kayla needs to go to the emergency room.
KAYLA: Honestly, a real situation that will probably happen within the next few months.
SARAH: I'm sure I'll bring you to the emergency room at some point.
KAYLA: Oh, for sure.
SARAH: So say she's in emergency and I go with her to the emergency room and because of that I miss work, okay? And then I call into work and I'm like "Hey sorry I have to miss because I have brought my friend to the emergency room." They might be like "Um, okay?" Like...
KAYLA: Sounds fakkee.
SARAH: Alright, sounds fake. But if that same thing happened and say I was engaged to someone and I took my fiancé to the emergency room, it would be something that would be... people would understand it more and people would be a little bit more forgiving when it's someone that like oh, you're in a romantic relationship with them, you know, you're engaged to them, you're gonna have a long relationship supposedly. I mean divorce rates these days, am I right ladies?
KAYLA: Yeah I mean earlier this summer I got in a pretty bad car accident and I was fine and everyone was fine but it freaked me out because I already hate driving and I called my boyfriend crying because I was like stuck in my car and I was like (dramatic voice) "I'm dying!" And so he had just been about to go into work and he emailed his boss and was like "My girlfriend just got in a car accident I'm not coming in today" and just left, he didn't even go talk to them. And they were like "Yeah, for sure. Go." But I have to think about if he was like "Hey, my roommate or my friend..." Like I don't... would they...
SARAH: Would they be okay with it?
KAYLA: Would they have had the same immediate like "yeah, go" reaction.
SARAH: Exactly. And then it's a similar thing that happens also when you're... like say I'm at the hospital with you. As someone who...
KAYLA: But like you can't come into the room.
SARAH: I can't come in with you, I can't... like there are certain things that I can't do. I know some of it is to do with like well if you're married you have certain benefits, and that's a whole other...
KAYLA: It's just a bunch of legal stuff.
SARAH: That's a whole other topic, the legal end of it. But just the fact that if you are in a romantic relationship with someone, it is seen as like "Of course you're very important to this person, you must go in with them." Where if it's a friend it's like "But that's just your roommate" or like "Do you really want them here?" or like "They're just gonna be in the way" or that sort of thing. So it's just kind of the thing of like no matter how long you've been together, because a person at the hospital, your boss, doesn't necessarily know if you've been together for five years or if you've been together for like a month.
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KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: It doesn't matter how long you've been together, it doesn't matter... like they don't need to know anything about the relationship like how deep your connection is or how well you know each other, a romantic relationship is automatically going to be a reason for that to happen, for you to be like "Okay, go to the hospital, whatever." Whereas a friendship, not necessarily so. And that's not necessarily to do with the depth of the friendship or the relationship but just by virtue of it being romantic.
KAYLA: And you know what I think part of the thing is is that with friendships there's not a hard label, I think. Like when you get in a relationship you're dating or you're seeing them and then you go steady or whatever.
SARAH: Right you're like boyfriend or girlfriend, partner.
KAYLA: Then you're boyfriend girlfriend, yeah. And so then you are officially partners, you're officially in this relationship. For friendships, the line between acquaintance, friend, and best friend doesn't really mean much to anyone. You know there's just not much of a difference, it's very fluid with a friendship how deep your friendship is. Because I have people who I consider my best friends, but those two relationships look very different, whereas people that I've called my boyfriend, the depth of the relationship is kind of standard, I guess.
SARAH: Right, and I think people when you say you're dating someone or you're in a relationship, a romantic relationship, with someone, people know what to expect, they know what it's going to quote on quote look like. Whereas with a platonic relationship, that's not necessarily the case. Which maybe that's part of it, but like I've had this experience with friends, with other people that I know, who they get in a relationship and they just ditch all their friends.
KAYLA: Oh yeah.
SARAH: Cause having a romantic relationship is the height of a relationship, this is the only one that matters now and that sort of thing. And I mean that's I think a shitty thing to do (laughs). But like just the thought that even though that's kind of seen as ehhh kind of a crappy thing to do, it's not like taboo to do that, it's not unusual to do that.
KAYLA: Yeah, it happens all the time.
SARAH: And also like when you're with your significant other in a group of friends I feel like - I've experienced this at least sometimes - where I'm in a group with two people in the group who are dating and they just get distracted and kind of just ignore everyone else and it's like "Why is this really a thing?"
KAYLA: To be fair, I would say that when we're in a group together...
SARAH: That's true.
KAYLA: ...we often get very distracted by each other.
SARAH: That is true.
KAYLA: For me, when I'm in that situation personally if I'm with the person I'm currently dating, he gets very shy and so that's why I often give him more attention. But I mean that's just...
SARAH: I feel like it does depend on the case.
KAYLA: But I do understand what you mean.
SARAH: Right, cause I've been in situations where people like... you're with a group of people, whether that's family, whether that's friends and two people who are dating just kind of go off away. And I'm like "What?"
KAYLA: But also (sigh) I mean that could just be like an infatuation thing. I mean when people start relationships they're so obsessed with each other. And that doesn't happen so much in friendships.
SARAH: That doesn't happen with friendships!
KAYLA: But I also think friendships are more slow evolving, though.
SARAH: Eh.
KAYLA: Like we... I dunno our friendship... I suppose our friendship did not take long to develop, but if you think about.... I dunno, I just feel like friendships since they don't have that hard label, they take longer to evolve most of the time and you don't have that honeymoon. There's no honeymoon (pronounced incorrectly)...
SARAH: (laughs) Nailed it.
KAYLA: Nice! Honeymoon period to a friendship, really. It's not as much of a thing.
SARAH: Right. But I think that is partially a testament to how relationships are treated by society. And it's just the fact that society views them as having a higher value and so you place more value on it. And so when you first start dating someone you're like "Oh my god, I love you so much. This is gonna be forever, this is gonna be the greatest relationship ever." And I think that's kind of part of the reason why honeymoon phase happens. I mean I'm not an expert on that dating thing, whatever that is (laughs).
KAYLA: Honestly, me either. What am I doing?
SARAH: But I feel the need to give a disclaimer here where I understand that some romantic relationships are going to be quote on quote greater than platonic ones because of the two people, because of the connection they have. I think especially romantic relationships that are very much based in friendship, that relationship overtime might become your most important relationship and that's okay and that might happen.
KAYLA: But it shouldn't be because... the reason it's more important shouldn't be because it's romantic.
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SARAH: Right, it should be because of you and the other person and the connection you have. And so I just have beef with, ya know, people are like... they assume that that connection is deeper, you're closer, it's more important just cause what, you're fucking each other? Like I know that not all romantic relationships include sex, but if we're talking societal norms here, it's like "Oh man, they're doing the do, they're buds."
KAYLA: That's also stupid because then you have a lot of people, especially in college and our age, are just hooking up. So why is it then that hookups, which do involve sex, if sex is the thing that's different, then why aren't hookups your most important relationship, you know? And like you said, not all romantic relationships have sex, but I mean... you know?
SARAH: Yeah, I understand.
KAYLA: By the norm, they go together.
SARAH: Right, and I think... and obviously there are people who they'll wait till they get married to have sex, and that doesn't mean that their relationship is somehow lesser until they have had sex. But I think just the thought that you will eventually have sex. You will eventually get to that point is what a lot of people view as like "Oh, this relationship is greater than platonic ones." And I think there's also just like... when I tell people that I'm not... I don't expect to be in a long-term romantic relationship or expect to get married, they pity me and they think that I'm saying that not because whatever, but because they think that I don't think that I will ever find someone. And they think it's me being pessimistic.
KAYLA: When really it's like you don't want it. Like there's a difference between people being like "Oh I'm never gonna get married!" because they are like "single life forever and I suck and no one loves me." And in difference between you who's like "No I don't want that."
SARAH: I don't want that. And when I explain that to them, I'm like "No I just don't really want that for myself. Where I am right now I don't see that ever happening." Their first question or their first response is always "Why?" Why do I not want this relationship that's like the pinnacle of all relationships? Why would I not want this... I almost feel like they think I'm missing out or that I'm not going to be fulfilled if I don't have this romantic relationship. And obviously I'm kind of biased because of my situation, but I don't think you need a romantic relationship to be fulfilled in your friendships or just your relationships in general. You don't need that shit. I mean if you want that shit cool, but you don't need it to be a human being or to be fulfilled.
KAYLA: Yeah I mean I dunno. And a lot of that it just makes me think of how many rom-coms there are and so relationships are just like "Oh that's so great!" And you go see movies about it and everything and so people picture that. When you picture a life, I think a lot of people picture "Oh yeah, I'm gonna get married and I'm gonna have kids of whatever." And they don't realize that there's another way to visualize your white picket fence house.
SARAH: Legitimately what happened to me is I thought for my entire life up until high school that I was gonna get married, I was gonna have kids, because that's what everyone I knew did with a few exceptions. But to me, those people were exceptions. I was gonna get married and I was gonna have kids and I never thought about whether or not I really wanted to. I was just like "Oh this is what's gonna happen." And it wasn't until I was in high school and one of my teachers was unmarried, didn't have kids. She was a teacher so they don't get paid much but she was able to travel the world because she didn't have all these other things that to her, at least they didn't seem, that important to her. And I was like "Woah! You can do that? You can lead a fulfilled life and do that? Oh!" And that was when I first started realizing that maybe I don't wanna get married, maybe I don't wanna have kids. And there are absolutely ace people who do want kids but for me, that was when I first started thinking "Okay, well maybe the husband, two and a half kids, white picket fence is not for me."
KAYLA: It's not what you want.
SARAH: But I spent my whole life thinking that's what I was gonna do because that was the norm, that was what was expected and I don't know.
KAYLA: Yeah. And thinking about it when I was growing, the only people I know that didn't have kids it was because of necessity or they couldn't. I have a family member that couldn't have kids so she never did. And I remember asking my mom when I was very little like "Why doesn't she have kids?" And my mom was like "Well she can't." But I asked that question of "Why does she not have children?" And I have other family members that are married and they're both in the military and so it took a long time for them to even get married because they were both deployed and all over the place. And so I don't know if they ever wanted kids anyway but it's not like they could've feasibly had them and both kept their careers. So yeah, there's not many examples of people that don't want them and that's why they don't have them.
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SARAH: And that's a whole other pod.
KAYLA: Real (laughs).
SARAH: But I mean that idea of that specific connection of a romantic and sexual relationship is one that you're expected to have and I didn't realize that not having that was an option until I was like 16.
KAYLA: Which is old.
SARAH Yeah.
KAYLA: It's old.
SARAH: And so that kind of relates to... so I, a couple weeks ago, ran across a... it's basically a TED Talk, it's some other thing similar to TED but it's a TED talk.
KAYLA: It's a different brand of TED.
SARAH: It's a different brand of TED. And it is by David Jay who is the guy who founded the website AVEN, which for those of you who don't know it's at asexuality.org. Asexuality.org if you wanna check it out. Promo! You're welcome David Jay for our three listeners.
KAYLA: We have like 60 (laughs). And they're all our friends.
SARAH: We're killing it. But basically, it's a website... it's basically the basis of the ace community as it is today. It was basically the first real place, this open space for ace people and people who fell under the ace umbrella to talk about their experiences and relate to each other and be like "Oh, there's nothing wrong with me! This is a thing, I'm not crazy."
KAYLA: Yeah, there's a name for what's happening.
SARAH: And so it's very important to the ace community and so we were watching this TED Talk - I also made Kayla watch it much to her dismay because she doesn't have the patience to sit for 16 minutes. But we did (laughs).
KAYLA: Made it!
SARAH: And it was just interesting because... I don't think he did the greatest job of explaining asexuality.
KAYLA: No, you've definitely explained it to me better.
SARAH: I think it's just because he was trying to do it quickly and he made it sound a little bit like it was you're choosing not to have sex, which is not really how it works.
KAYLA: I didn't get that as much. It's just like... I know there's more of a spectrum of asexuality and he labeled it as people who really like sex, people who kind of like sex, and people who don't like, which isn't really what asexuality is. But I understand why he did it. If you're explaining it to someone who has never heard of asexuality before, you can't just throw that much at them at once and expect them to really take it in. So I understand why he has to do that, it just kind of sucks.
SARAH: Yeah. But basically, he was talking in this TED Talk whatever talk about connection and how in our society, connection and relationships are very tangled up in sexuality. And so if you don't feel attracted to people sexually or romantically it's difficult to kind of... not find your place but it's hard to figure out for everyone, but especially so...
KAYLA: It's kind of hard to fit in, I guess.
SARAH: Right. And one of the thing he was talking about was he had a friend who they were really good friends and he and that friend sat down and had a conversation about their relationship, about where it was going and the kind of time they were wanting to put to it and that sort of thing. And it really deepened their friendship but it was still completely platonic. And that was something that was really interesting to me because when I think of people sitting down and talking about their relationships it's always romantic.
KAYLA: Yeah at first when he said that I like looked at you and I made a face because it made me so uncomfortable to think about sitting down with you and talking about that. And I really think that's the difference between a friendship and a relationship that I started thinking about is in a relationship you talk about your relationship often. Especially long-term relationships, you're sitting down, talking “What do we both want, what are we doing?” The classic like “What are we?” I mean we all make fun of it but it's an important conversation. But with friendships, you don't really have that. We kind of just mutually know we out here...
SARAH: Ayyyy!
KAYLA: ...we're in love platonically. But we don't have that conversation.
SARAH: Yeah and I think that's definitely an interesting thing that differentiates romantic relationships versus platonic ones is like well romantic ones we talk about them. And I don't know if maybe talking about them makes them feel more important, makes them feel more real.
KAYLA: I think it makes them feel more... oh I just had the word. Like you're self-aware. In a friendship... there's a lot of friendships that I have that I'm not very self-aware of. I'm like yeah I'm friends with them but I don't think about our relationship that much, they're just there.
SARAH: And I think that might be part of the reason why they're viewed so differently is just because it's just the amount of time we spend thinking about that relationship. Not the person, but about the relationships.
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KAYLA: Yeah. And people will ask me if we haven't talked in a while like "Oh how are you and Patrick?" They don't ask about Patrick, they ask about how are you and Patrick?
SARAH: How's your relationship.
KAYLA: Yeah and so... oh that's my boyfriend. I don't think I've ever said his... hi Patrick!
SARAH: (laughs) Patrick is Kayla's boyfriend.
KAYLA: You better be listening to this! (Quietly) Or I'll kill him. So people ask about the relationship. And people ask... no I don't think anyone has ever come up to me and been like "How are you and Sarah?" Like we're still in love I dunno. People asked about you when you were in Germany, they were like "How's Sarah doing?" And I was like "Probably dead, I don't know." But no one asks me and Sarah about our relationship because they always assume that we're doing fine.
SARAH: Right and it's like... one of the things additionally that he was talking about in this TED Talk whatever talk is that a relationship, there's a person and there's another person, and a relationship is something that falls in between them. And I think that was an interesting way to think about it because I don't think of my friendships that way at all. And so I think it is interesting to think about friendships in more of the way that we do think about romantic relationships and that like "Okay well what is this friendship? Where is it going?"
KAYLA: Yeah and it's kind of like the relationship itself is a third person. Like there's you and then there's the other person and then there's you together, which is completely different than you two separate.
SARAH: Right, you don't necessarily think about the person in the same way that you think about the relationship.
KAYLA: Right, yeah.
SARAH: Oh man (sigh). So many things.
KAYLA: Sarah, should we talk about where our relationship is going?
SARAH: I feel uncomfortable (laughs). Yeah but I think it's just... I just have beef with people... cause I mean it's similar to people asking about you and Patrick is like they... I mean yes they do sometimes ask about me too but they ask about Patrick because that's seen as a more important relationship than necessarily the one with me. And I feel like the people who ask me about you are people who know both of us personally whereas if you're in a relationship with someone, even if they don’t necessarily know your significant other, they still might ask.
KAYLA: Right. Yeah, I have friends that I don't talk to as often and they'll check-in and be like "Oh are you still together?" No one asks me if we're still friends. I dunno, that's the other thing with friendships I think especially after you get out of high school they're less volatile and so relationships end more frequently than friendships I would say on average. Unless you're very dramatic.
SARAH: I hate you!
KAYLA: I know. Okay. But yeah, people... I don't know. Yeah.
SARAH: And I think that's part of my beef is it kind of feeds a fear that I think a lot of aro-ace people have, this fear of like "Okay well all of my friends are gonna get married or get into long-term romantic relationships and they're gonna be all about their partner and forget about me." I feel like a lot of times you'll run across people who are married who only hang out with other married people and it's like "Hi! I'm still here!"
KAYLA: You can live in my basement. Me and Patrick have talked about it. He said you're allowed to be a non-sexual third party because of the money you'll bring in, to which I told him "Sarah will bring no money.
SARAH: I have no money.
KAYLA: But you can still sleep in my basement.
SARAH: Amazing. But I feel like... (laughs) I'm about it as long as I don't feel like a third wheel.
KAYLA: Well I don't know what to tell you (laughs). I think Patrick will be the third wheel.
SARAH: Perfect. But I think it's just this... it's just society. My life is not any less fulfilling because I don't have a romantic relationship.
KAYLA: It's not the reason your life is less fulfilling. There's other very...
SARAH: The reason my life is less fulfilling is because I'm dead inside.
KAYLA: (laughs) That is the reason.
SARAH: But I'm not dead inside because I'm aro-ace, I'm dead inside for other reasons (laughs).
KAYLA: Lots of other reasons. Sexuality has nothing to do with it!
SARAH: Sexuality has nothing to do with it. But yeah, I think it's just... it just makes me sad when people automatically prioritize romantic relationships just by virtue of them being romantic. Or people will get into a relationship and they'll be in a relationship for like a month and these friends that they've had for years...
KAYLA: They're gone.
SARAH: They won't necessarily ditch them, but very suddenly their significant other is always prioritized over this friend that you've had for six years. And it's like you don't have to ditch your significant other for your best friend but I think as a person, you need to think not just about how you're prioritizing your significant others but also how you're prioritizing the other people in your life. And that again comes back to having conversations, even if that's just sitting down with yourself and being like "Okay, what relationships do I view as a priority and that I want to take the time to be like an active member of this."
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KAYLA: And romantic relationships and platonic ones, they are different, no matter how equal they'll get they're always going to be different. But I mean I don't think that the reason you should prioritize one over the other is because of what amount of romance is in it.
SARAH: Just because they're different doesn't mean that one type is necessarily better than the other.
KAYLA: Right.
SARAH: It's just that they're different.
KAYLA: (weird voice) They're different!
SARAH: (pterodactyl voice) They're different! (screeching noise). So yeah, moral of the story: don't make your aro-ace friends feel bad!
KAYLA: The moral of the story is stop it.
SARAH: The moral of the story is don't ditch your friends.
KAYLA: Everyone break up with your significant other. Only friendships from now on.
SARAH: Only friendships from now on.
KAYLA: No romance! It's dead!
SARAH: It's dead.
KAYLA: See I told you it's dead. That's the topic, romance is dead!
SARAH: See any time we say anything like that I feel like I have to disclaim it and be like "Aro-ace people don't believe this!"
KAYLA: No, we're just making fun of people.
SARAH: I know you are but I just feel the need to disclaim all the time.
KAYLA: Listen, never listen to what I say. All disclaimers are...
SARAH: That's my disclaimer.
KAYLA: ...don't listen to Kayla. I have great opinions!
SARAH: But yeah. So I've got a lot of beef, I feel like I was pretty calm though.
KAYLA: Full cow of beef.
SARAH: Full cow of beef. Maybe even two cows. That's a lot of cows.
KAYLA: I recently heard about a cow that was the size of an elephant because it was pumped up on so many steroids...
SARAH: Oh that's not good.
KAYLA: ...and it was very sad and it had to go to a rehab barn.
SARAH: I'm kidding, that's not my beef cow.
KAYLA: (sigh) It had arthritis.
SARAH: Alright, that's unrelated Kayla.
KAYLA: No it did! I don't have arthritis, the cow had arthritis.
SARAH: No to the pod!
KAYLA: The people need to know! Cow's rights!
SARAH: (laughs) Okay. But yeah, tell us how you feel. We have a Twitter and an email, they're both... well okay. The Twitter is @soundsfakepod and the email is soundsfakepod@gmail.com.
KAYLA: They're like reverse, the at is just...
SARAH: On the other side. Yeah. Um but yeah, tell us how you feel.
KAYLA: What's your feeling?
SARAH: Have I changed your mind? Was I completely non-eloquent so you don't understand what I said?
KAYLA: Well that yes.
SARAH: Yeah, that happens.
KAYLA: Yes, but unrelated. Or give us ideas for other pods or if you think that you wanna have us answer your life questions cause Sarah can't give good advice...
SARAH: I'm horrible at giving advice.
KAYLA: ...but I'd say I give mediocre advice.
SARAH: I give good advice on accident sometimes.
KAYLA: Yeah it's very out of the blue.
SARAH: Right. But I am not really reliable for advice. So ask us advice and get dubious answers like the podcast Dear John and Hank where they just give dubious advice.
KAYLA: I feel like I would give good advice though, so don't...
SARAH: Alright, calm down.
KAYLA: I-
SARAH: We're trying to wrap this up, Kayla!
KAYLA: Psych major! And then if you want to keep listening to us and give us your support, you can... whatever area you're listening to us from, we're on...
SARAH: Keep doing it (laughs)!
KAYLA: Keep doing it! We're on iTunes, Soundcloud, Stitcher Radio, Google Play. That's all of them.
SARAH: And in your ears.
KAYLA: And inside of your ear holes.
SARAH: Okay, I don't like that.
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SARAH: Five star.
KAYLA: Oh should we do another...
SARAH: We should do another question.
KAYLA: Ooo. Oh, I don't have one.
SARAH: I don't either.
KAYLA: Oh. Thoughts on cows.
SARAH: Thoughts on cows. Tell us your thoughts on cows and also...
KAYLA: Press one for...
SARAH: Cows.
KAYLA: Cows.
SARAH: Two for two cows (laughs).
KAYLA: (laughs) Two for two. How much beef do you have with this topic?
SARAH: Oh good one.
KAYLA: Is it one cow, two cows, or are you STUPID and is it zero cows.
SARAH: Yup. How many... one cow for "I have a small amount of beef with how society..."
KAYLA: I'd say it's an average. One is like an average amount of beef.
SARAH: One is average amount of beef.
KAYLA: Two is like a Sarah amount of beef.
SARAH: Two is like me beef.
KAYLA: Sarah beef.
SARAH: And then negative cow...
KAYLA: Is um... leave!
SARAH: I assume you're prioritizing your romantic relationships just by virtue of them being romantic and I urge you to reconsider.
KAYLA: We politely ask you to rethink your life.
SARAH: Yup!
KAYLA: So just in the comments or the ratings of whatever you're listening to us on...
SARAH: Or just tweet us aggressively.
KAYLA: Or just tweet us.
SARAH: Tweet us cow pics, I dunno.
KAYLA: Ooo, send... you know what's better...?
SARAH: Send moooods.
KAYLA: Die! You know what's better than dick pics?
SARAH: Cow pics.
KAYLA: Cow pics. Ay girl you up though?
SARAH: I would accept an unsolicited cow pic. Speaking of which, if you want to listen to our last podcast, our very first one, it was about dick pics. Not cow pics, dick pics.
KAYLA: Unfortunately.
SARAH: So if you wanna give that a lil listen.
KAYLA: Lil listen in your ear hole.
SARAH: That'll be good! Alright so that is it we need to stop.
KAYLA: Yup.
SARAH: Alright.
KAYLA: Bye!
SARAH: (singing) We still don't have an outro.