Ep 352: Listener Lore pt. 5
SARAH: Hey what's up, hello! Welcome to Sounds Fake But Okay, a podcast where an aro-ace girl (I'm Sarah, that's me.)
KAYLA: And a bi demisexual girl, (that's me Kayla.)
SARAH: Talk about all things to do with love, relationships, sexuality, and pretty much anything else we just don't understand.
KAYLA: On today's episode, ‘Listener Lore.’
BOTH: Sounds fake, but okay.
SARAH: Welcome back to the pod!
KAYLA: If you hear my cats… no, you don't.
SARAH: Okay. I don't, so.
KAYLA: They always… it's because we're all resting on the couch and then I get up to record the podcast and they think it's time to be awake. So, every time we start the podcast, everyone is running around screaming.
SARAH: It's active time. I mean, aren't you running around screaming? If you really think about it.
KAYLA: I would say I'm sitting right now.
SARAH: But you had to run around to get to your sitting.
KAYLA: I didn't run, I walked.
SARAH: Okay, but your walking speed is like your cat's running speed.
KAYLA: No, I think their running speed is faster than my walking speed, they run quite fast.
SARAH: Their jog? Their trot? Their trotting speed?
KAYLA: If they trot, perhaps.
SARAH: Anyway, what is up, my guy, my dude, my fella?
KAYLA: Hi.
SARAH: Hi, do we have any housekeeping?
KAYLA: Um, no, question mark.
SARAH: Great. Kayla, what are we talking about this week?
KAYLA: This week, we are back at it with listener lore. This is us crowdsourcing our own Reddit story, our own Reddit style stories from you, the listeners. This will be the fifth one of them. And we haven't done one in a little bit. And some of y'all's answers for like your favorite things about the podcast were listener lore.
SARAH: Oh, tea
KAYLA: And so, I said, “you don't have to tell me twice.”
SARAH: Listener lore over AITA or like listener lore and AITA?
KAYLA: I was just looking at… because when I'm good, I put our polls on our Instagram group.
SARAH: You're so brave.
KAYLA: I forget what they're called, but you know you can like make a group chat of Instagram?
SARAH: It's not a page, it's a… I don't know.
KAYLA: I don't know what it's called, but if you go to our Instagram bio, it's like there. So, I was just looking there, but I did not see any AITA mentions.
SARAH: Wow.
KAYLA: Which is surprising because usually people say that those are their favorites, but those people stayed silent, so.
SARAH: Wow. All right. Well, too bad because we like AITA. It sucks to suck.
KAYLA: It's true.
SARAH: Okay. Great. Exciting. Shall we just dive in?
KAYLA: We shall. I don't think I have any follow-ups from previous ones that I can remember.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: If I missed a follow-up, please let me know. Apologies. Would you like to pick a number between two and 96?
SARAH: 17, like the K-pop group?
KAYLA: Like the K-pop?
SARAH: Mm-hmm
KAYLA: Okay. This is from anonymous.
SARAH: Ooh, spooky.
KAYLA: Spooky. My sophomore year, a kid I knew became really good friends with a gay trans man. She was a lesbian and at the time I was too.
SARAH: Pause
KAYLA: Yep
SARAH: Sophomore year of what? High school or college?
KAYLA: I'm going to guess high school.
SARAH: Okay. For the non-Americans out there, that's your second year, second year of four.
KAYLA: I forgot about that.
SARAH: I always forget the people… Specifically, sophomore people don't know, like, they can guess with freshmen, senior, sort of.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Junior, I think confuses them, but sophomore they're like, “what the fuck is that?” Did you know that the word sophomore actually came from the UK?
KAYLA: Oh, well then what are they so confused about?
SARAH: It came from either Oxford or Cambridge, it was like a word that originated at that school specifically to refer to second year university students.
KAYLA: Well, they should stop being so confused then, get with it.
SARAH: They sent it over here and we kept it, and then they were like, “actually, no, this is stupid.”
KAYLA: Anyway.
SARAH: Sophomore year of a time.
KAYLA: Sophomore year of a time, my guess is high school, a kid I knew became really good friends with a gay trans man. She was a lesbian and at the time I was too.
SARAH: The friend was a lesbian?
KAYLA: Yes, and at the time Anon was too. Which I just like, at the time I was a lesbian, I just love that.
SARAH: At the time.
KAYLA: I had been questioning my gender though and as that went on, she became more and more phobic, more like hating men than hating trans people, but kind of double dipping with transmascs. Oh no, they're coming for us, they’re hating men. Anyway.
SARAH: But we hate cishet men.
KAYLA: Yeah, that's true.
SARAH: First hatred, cishet men, then cis men.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Trans men and transmasc people, of course you're real men.
KAYLA: I was gonna put gay white men third.
SARAH: You mean second.
KAYLA: Cishet men, cis men, as a large category.
SARAH: Uh-huh
KAYLA: Third large category, gay white men.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: You know the gay white man I'm talking about?
SARAH: Right. But they also fall into the category in most cases of just cis men.
KAYLA: I know, but I'm…
SARAH: But specifically like that subset. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's tough, it's tough.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: Anyway, I'm saying I do not wish to not affirm your identity as a trans man because you are absolutely a man and just because you are trans it doesn't mean you're not a man. However, when we're talking about hating men, we're not talking about you.
KAYLA: Unless you suck.
SARAH: Unless you suck. But just like as a general rule…
KAYLA: It's usually cishet men that we're talking about.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Okay. Maybe I'll continue.
SARAH: Maybe.
KAYLA: Okay. I wish I could get more than two sentences into this.
SARAH: Brrrrrrr
KAYLA: Okay. So, I was starting to talk to her about it and she was like, “they/them is fine, but I'm going to hate you if you become a man.”
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: Bro. Anywho, her trans bestie, TM, kept vouching for her and being like, “nah, bro, she's just messing around.”
SARAH: Wait, this is a trans man? Bestie?
KAYLA: So, as you recall from the beginning of the story, her friend is a lesbian who is friends with a gay trans man.
SARAH: Right. So, the man-phobic lesbian hates men but is besties with the gay trans man?
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: Has an issue with Anon switching to he/him pronouns at any point, but is fine with gay trans man using he/him pronouns?
KAYLA: I don't know.
SARAH: Doble standards, if you ask me.
KAYLA: Doble. Okay, so gay trans man friend says, “no, she's just messing around.” So, Anon tells her that they're bi because it turns out gender dysphoria made me think I dislike guys.
SARAH: Mm
KAYLA: She blew up, it was a huge fight, she acted like she hated me for a month, she might actually have, it was like my sexuality was a personal betrayal. And to her, it was a massive deal when to me it was just a fact about me. And so, I went to her trans bestie and was like, “what's up with her?” And he gave me this whole lecture about finding the right time for major information. So, I was like, “fuck you, I came out to the whole internet,” and that's the story.
SARAH: Okay. I, you know, for OP, for Anon, “Enon,” “Anon,” whatever you wish to say, I think you're a trailblazer for identifying first as a lesbian and then as a bisexual.
KAYLA: Huge.
SARAH: I think that's so exciting
KAYLA: Do you think… because it is so weird that she has a trans man bestie and that's fine. So, part of me wonders if she's like sad to be losing her lesbian friend. If she was like, “I thought we were lesbians together.” Like, is that why she's upset?
SARAH: Or maybe she doesn't actually affirm the trans man's identity.
KAYLA: Yeah. I would be very interested in the relationship with the trans man, because it seems like he's on her side and is like taking her side, but it's like, why?
SARAH: Why is he drinking the Kool-Aid? What's up with that?
KAYLA: I don't know, that's what makes me think it's like, she's sad to be losing her lesbian, I don't know.
SARAH: And it's also not like a binary thing because she said that they/them pronouns were okay, but if you ever become a man, that's not allowed.
KAYLA: But then it also said like more man-hating than trans people hating, but kind of double dipping with transmascs. So not just hating cishet men the way we do, but also hating all men, even the good ones who are transmascs.
SARAH: Even those who have experienced what it is like to be perceived as a woman in this world.
KAYLA: Indeed.
SARAH: Then how is that her bestie? That's what I don't understand.
KAYLA: I don't know.
SARAH: That would be like me saying, I hate turtles; turtles are the worst, they're the worst animal and I hate them so much, and then I went to the pet store and got a fucking turtle.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: For myself on purpose. Like, I don't understand that. And the poor turtle doesn't have a choice because it's a commodity, it's being bought and sold in this capitalistic world, unless I got it from a shelter and it was free; I feel like usually you still have to pay a little bit. But the trans man friend is there of his own volition. Why is he still there? Why is he friends with this person?
KAYLA: This is what makes me think it's high school; it all feels very high school to me.
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SARAH: Yeah. That's fair. That's also just so odd, so odd.
KAYLA: Okay. A story in three parts.
SARAH: Aww
KAYLA: The same person submitted three things, the same story and two were like updates from like only a couple hours later.
SARAH: Goodness, we love a trilogy.
KAYLA: This was a developing story in November, 2024.
SARAH: That's exciting. This is a scoop. This is breaking news.
KAYLA: This is huge breaking news. And this story, like it's a time-sensitive thing it seems like. So, I would be very interested to hear the updates.
SARAH: We're journalists.
KAYLA: Journalism. This is from Svetlana.
SARAH: Svetlana.
KAYLA: Okay. I need my glasses.
SARAH: She's old.
KAYLA: She's old. Am I the asshole for thinking my best friend is being stupid? For the record, she's a hundred percent allo and I'm sort of between allo and aro still figuring it out. Well, if she's a hundred percent allo, then odds are she's a little stupid.
SARAH: Yeah. Respectfully.
KAYLA: Okay. So, the best friend is Yana. So, my best friend, Yana's best guy friend who she has liked for years confessed to her that he's also liked her for years. But Yana wants to wait years until she graduates to be with him. So, again, I'm guessing this is also high school because this feels like high school shit. She wants to wait years until she graduates to be with him because… bitch! Because one, she thinks everyone will think she's a slut because she liked so many guys while liking him. Hello?
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: And two…
SARAH: Is that common knowledge to everyone?
KAYLA: I mean…
SARAH: What do high schoolers do these days?
KAYLA: I mean, it must be common knowledge or else that like really makes no sense.
SARAH: Right. Okay. Let's assume it's common knowledge.
KAYLA: Even then though, that's nothing.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I hope people aren't thinking that because that's fucking stupid.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Two, she doesn't want to ruin her friendship with him, a more understandable concern.
SARAH: That's valid, that's always the reason in the fanfics.
KAYLA: Exactly. Reasonable. Meanwhile, this guy has poured his heart out to her, he could not be a greener flag. I respect her decision, but told her I don't think she should be throwing away what could be such a good relationship because of her fears like this. What do you think? Okay. So, after that initial… we'll get to the updates, but after that initial, what do we think?
SARAH: I think… okay, let me psychoanalyze Yana right now.
KAYLA: Okay. Work.
SARAH: I think that she is putting a… what's that word that I forget? Arbitrary. She's putting an arbitrary date at which she cannot date him until graduation.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I mean, sure things change at graduation, but if anything, it'll make it harder to date him.
KAYLA: That's what I'm thinking, dating post-graduation seems a lot harder.
SARAH: Yeah. I think she has had a crush on him for so long and she has built up in her mind what it would be like to be with him.
KAYLA: Mm-hmm
SARAH: And she is afraid that if they get together, it will not meet that expectation, it will not be the same as what she expects.
KAYLA: That makes sense.
SARAH: And I think that ties into her being afraid of ruining their friendship.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And I think those two things are interconnected. I think Yana, you just need to go on one date with this boy.
KAYLA: Well, it's high school, you don't go on dates.
SARAH: You need to hold hands on the way to math class.
KAYLA: Unless, I guess, I don't know what they're doing in high school these days, but I feel like you don't go on dates in high school like that.
SARAH: It doesn't sound like you're in the United States, but you need to go to whatever your country's equivalent of tropical smoothie is after school.
KAYLA: We're getting a tropical smoothie, have I told you?
SARAH: No.
KAYLA: We're getting a tropical smoothie in my neighborhood, I'm ecstatic.
SARAH: Wow. Okay.
KAYLA: I'm so excited.
SARAH: You need to do whatever high schoolers do. And you need to say to him, “we're being adults about this, this is not high school dating where we're suddenly boyfriend/girlfriend. We're going to go out once and see how it goes, that does not mean we're engaged to be married.”
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: “That does not mean we tell everyone.” It doesn't have to be a huge secret either, because that will make people talk about it more.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But don't be like, “we're going on a date, therefore we're together.” It's like, no, no, that's not going to work. Okay. What's the first update?
KAYLA: Okay. My thoughts on this are, this does not have to be the end of the world. Like, I understand that it feels like it because they're very big feelings, but like zoom out a little bit. This does not have to be the man that you marry, this is not going to be the only friend that you ever have.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: It sucks, but it is okay.
SARAH: Also, if you really care about this person and you really value your friendship with this person, unless something goes horribly, horribly, horribly wrong in a way that you can't control, I think even if you got together and found out that it wasn't right, you could still be friends afterwards.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And if it does go horribly, horribly wrong in a way you can't control, that says to me that he did something and you wouldn't want to be friends with him after that anyway.
KAYLA: That's what I'm thinking, like, if it is truly a good friendship, it will withstand… whatever. There are plenty of people who are friends, try to date, it doesn't work out and maybe take some time, but they stay like friends.
SARAH: Yeah, it might be awkward for a little bit, but just channel the lesbians. Okay?
KAYLA: Right. You can do this.
SARAH: Do what they do.
KAYLA: Okay. First update, this is three hours later. So additional, some additional thoughts.
SARAH: I love high school.
KAYLA: Okay. So yeah, some updates were gotten in the three hours. Update from the best friend situation; Yana says she's going to try to date another guy she likes.
SARAH: No.
KAYLA: Let's call him B and the first guy will be A. Would you like to give them names?
SARAH: Aaron.
KAYLA: Aaron.
SARAH: And Bartholomew.
KAYLA: Okay. So, she's going to try to date Bartholomew, a different guy she likes, not… what was…
SARAH: To make Aaron jealous!?
KAYLA: Well, oh, Aaron. Okay. So not Aaron. She wants to date Bartholomew because she thinks he's more stable. What!? Does he have an income?
SARAH: Is she practicing on Bartholomew?
KAYLA: Even though I pointed out that he graduates a year ahead of her and would be living far away from her. First of all, we don't need to be thinking like that, we don't need to be thinking.
SARAH: But we are, but we are.
KAYLA: No, we are. And I've been there, so I get it.
SARAH: It has been 10 months, nine months since we received this, has Bartholomew graduated now?
KAYLA: Well, I don’t know, it says, graduates a year ahead of her, not next year.
SARAH: But it could be next year, I don't know.
KAYLA: It could, I don't know what grade anyway. From her saying in the first message, she wants to wait years until she graduates to date Aaron, that makes me think that there may be freshmen first years or sophomores second years.
SARAH: Freshman, sophomore, yeah.
KAYLA: Yeah. Okay. So, she wants to date Bartholomew because she thinks he's more stable, even though he'll graduate ahead of her and then move away, whatever.
SARAH: What does that even mean? When you're 15 years old, what is stable? Nothing is stable.
KAYLA: This is what I'm saying. Does he have an income? Is he working 9 to 5? Does he cook? Like, what do you mean?
SARAH: Does he work at the tropical smoothie?
KAYLA: Maybe he has a job, that's… okay, I don't know. He's like on the chess team or something.
SARAH: Is he on the soccer team? This sounds European, I went for soccer.
KAYLA: Football, you mean?
SARAH: Footy.
KAYLA: Footy. She also wants to date Bartholomew because she has told everyone she likes him, so, if she started dating him, that one will think she's a slut. Okay, so that's where it comes in, she has been talking to people about how she likes this other guy, how she likes Bartholomew, so, if she dates Aaron, then people would be like, “oh my God, she has a crush on like two people at once.”
SARAH: So, it's public knowledge that she has a crush on Bartholomew and it was public knowledge that she had a crush on Charlie before that and David before that and Earl before that, I'm going through the alphabet.
KAYLA: I guess, yeah.
SARAH: But it is not public knowledge that she has had a crush on Aaron for years?
KAYLA: I guess. I mean, if it's her friend, that makes sense that that wouldn’t have been common knowledge.
SARAH: But that also, if it's like a big secret, like, ooh, I've harbored this secret crush for many years, that makes me think it's a much more serious crush than whatever Bartholomew has going on
KAYLA: Also, if it's someone you've been friends with for years, like your best friend, I feel like people won't think that's coming out of nowhere. It'll be like, “oh, they've been friends for so long…” Like…
SARAH: Yeah
KAYLA: I could see that for them. And once again, if people in your school think you're a slut for having multiple friend crushes at once, that's fucking stupid.
SARAH: See, I've never had a crush, so, I can't speak to the experience of having one or two at the same time. However, as someone who has had a below average number of crushes in life, perhaps you're having an above average simultaneous experience. But that does not mean that it is wrong or weird and y'all are still young and you can teach those people around you, like, girl, no, it makes me cool as fuck. And you're cool as fuck for having no crushes, the only people who are not cool as fuck are the people who only have one.
KAYLA: Oh
SARAH: We're really… what's it called? The political spectrum, when it goes far apart.
KAYLA: Polarizing?
SARAH: Yes, we're polarizing.
KAYLA: I see. Yeah, it's just like… that's not… if you were dating multiple people in an unethical way, then… I mean, I still wouldn't call you a slut because that's just like nothing.
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SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: But like, that would be bad. But…
SARAH: You know who is a slut? See, I was just going to name… I was going to say Elon Musk, just because I don't like him.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But he actually does have a lot of children. But I don't…
KAYLA: Oh, you know who's a slut is? Nick Cannon.
SARAH: That's true. And about him, I say slut respectfully towards the slut part, but not respectfully towards any other part of him. Does that make sense?
KAYLA: Yeah, it does.
SARAH: Okay, continue.
KAYLA: Anyway, I personally think she shouldn't give a shit what anyone thinks about her and just go for Aaron because she has liked him for so long. Exactly. Aaron has also told her he'll wait until they graduate to be in a relationship with Yana. I kid you not, he actually said, “if that's how long it takes.”
SARAH: He's down bad.
KAYLA: That man is head over heels for her and she says she'll just date Bartholomew for now and Aaron after they both graduate. I think that would be so unfair to do to Bartholomew. Basically, the equivalent of stringing him along…
SARAH: Wait, okay so… Sorry, so her plan is to just date Bartholomew while they're in high school and then when they graduate, she'll say, “now, I'm done with you.” And then she'll go to Aaron. Isn't that worse than just starting to date Aaron now?
KAYLA: Yes. If you're worried about people thinking you're a slut, I also… dating multiple people in your life also doesn't make you a slut, but if we're saying which one looks worse, it's dating one guy just to be dating. Like, why are you dating him then?
SARAH: If you're planning on breaking up with him in two years, four months and 12 days, like, what are we doing here?
KAYLA: I mean, I will say I did date someone in high school that I knew exactly when we were going to break up.
SARAH: So, it's high school activity.
KAYLA: Yeah. And at the time, I don't know.
SARAH: I remember one of my friends in high school, like basically the only one of my friends who ever dated anyone in high school, wanted to break up with her boyfriend but it was about to be Valentine's Day and then it was about to be his birthday and then it was about to be their anniversary, and she was like, “I can't break up with him.”
KAYLA: Yeah, that's tough. But like, also, I know someone who got broken up with right after their, it was like two or three-year anniversary, like a week later. And the guy was like, “oh, I've been thinking about this for a while.” And she was like, “oh, so all the nice things you said to me on our anniversary were just like completely fake?” And he was just waiting until after the anniversary. So pro tip, don't wait, because then the person will realize what you did, and that's even worse.
SARAH: I have a friend who told me recently about how their high school boyfriend, they moved out to New York City, their high school boyfriend stayed home, and so, they were like long distance dating for a little while. And their high school boyfriend was trying to be nice and chivalrous and did not want to break up over the phone or over text.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But they did not live in the same city.
KAYLA: That's tough.
SARAH: My friend like saw it coming, like she could tell that he could not handle being long distance.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And so, she was like, “just break up with me.”
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Don't wait till you visit me, don't wait till I come home for the holidays.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Like, I know you're trying to be nice and like not break up over text, but like, you have to do it.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: “I'm breaking up with you, bitch.”
KAYLA: That's tough. In high school, as someone who has done it, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with like, “I like you, we're just going to date for now, even though we don't think it'll last,” because it's good. Like you like the person, it's enjoyable.
SARAH: Just having fun.
KAYLA: Just having fun. It's good practice for like adult relationships.
SARAH: Yeah. It's good to have experience with human relationships.
KAYLA: Yeah. So, I don't… like that part of it doesn't bother… like the expiration date doesn't bother me so much as like, you're just like then having another person in line feels icky.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Like that being the reason.
SARAH: Right. It would be one thing if they were like, “oh, we'll probably date till we graduate and then we'll break up and go our separate ways.”
KAYLA: Right.
SARAH: But it's another thing that they're saying, “we'll date until we graduate and I will break up with you for the express purpose of getting together with this other person that I already know now.”
KAYLA: Well, and already like clearly are taking more seriously because she's putting all of these like restrictions around it.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Because she cares more about that relationship, it seems like.
SARAH: Yes.
KAYLA: Okay. Third and final update.
SARAH: I'm ready.
KAYLA: Update again. Sorry… Oh, this was… military time, maybe four or five hours later.
SARAH: After the update or after the first post?
KAYLA: After the second update.
SARAH: Okay. After the first update, this is the second update.
KAYLA: Right. After the first. Anyway, sorry for so many updates. Just forgot to add that Aaron is seriously head over heels for Yana, everyone is obsessed with this girl. Oh, we already knew that.
SARAH: We already knew that.
KAYLA: Okay. I was thinking it was Bartholomew, I knew that. Okay. He literally wrote paragraphs complimenting her and said that if he had to choose someone to marry it's her in a heartbeat.
SARAH: Now that's a little forward, you're 15.
KAYLA: Okay. This man is in love and it just really upsets me to see my friend throw this opportunity away because I don't think I'll ever be able to experience romantic love like that. At least I've never had the chance to. Sorry for the whole what was me thing. I know you're not really into aro-ace negativity. Listen, there's always a time.
SARAH: It's a part of the experience, man.
KAYLA: It is a part of the experience. We try to keep it light and happy here, but we're not going to pretend that's not a real thing, that's absolutely a real thing.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: And it makes a lot of sense to me why you would be so upset with your friend treating it so casually if it's something that you feel like you're missing out on. Like, yeah, that sucks.
SARAH: Oh no, I'm too desirable. And I also desire these people back and I have the opportunity to have this type of relationship, I'm just like not I'm going to take it.
KAYLA: It's almost like taunting, like throwing it in your face like, “oh, I have five crushes at once and you can't have any.”
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: Like as someone who's grappling with their identity like that. Yeah, that fucking sucks to see.
SARAH: I have a monopoly over the crushes in this high school.
KAYLA: It kind of seems like Yana, like you guys didn't get an even distribution. Like she took it all.
SARAH: Yeah. She took it all.
KAYLA: I would love to hear more updates on this. I'm just going to check that there was nothing else.
SARAH: The other thing I would like to say…
KAYLA: No, that's it.
SARAH: I forgot. What was it? Oh, I think there's really timely advice I have for you, Svetlana.
KAYLA: Yeah, for November of 2024.
SARAH: I think it might help if you emphasize to Yana how much she would be hurting Aaron if she made this choice, because it does seem like she does genuinely care about Aaron. And I don't think she is thinking about his reaction. Now, should you always be considering a man when you make your own dating choices? No. But I think because of the context of the situation, emphasizing to her that like that's going to make her look kind of bad to Aaron, especially if Aaron knows that she likes him back.
KAYLA: Yeah, because she did tell him.
SARAH: And is choosing Bartholomew instead, he might then be determined… He might get over her.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I know he says that he'll wait as long as it takes, but we don't know that that's what's going to happen. We don't know that once you graduate and you dump Bartholomew, that Aaron is going to be sitting there waiting with open arms, he may have moved on.
KAYLA: Well, it's also like, imagine it from Aaron's perspective, this girl just told you, “I can't date you until we graduate,” but she can date this other guy before she graduates? Like, that's not going to make sense.
SARAH: He's going to resent that.
KAYLA: Yeah, and rightfully so, that fucking sucks.
SARAH: And even if he still is really obsessed with Yana and whatever, that resentment will fester and it will influence their relationship now as friends.
KAYLA: Yeah, true. If you're worried about ruining your friendship, this is not going to help it.
SARAH: No.
KAYLA: This man clearly has big feelings and you can't just be messing around with that.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: That was tea. And Svetlana, if you still listen, I would love to hear an update.
SARAH: Let us know what happened.
KAYLA: I have to assume that something has happened since then. Okay. A story not about sexuality at all.
SARAH: Great.
KAYLA: This is from Taco Cat.
SARAH: Taco Cat!
KAYLA: Who I think is in discord.
SARAH: Yes.
KAYLA: Seems familiar.
SARAH: We talked about Taco Cat last week.
KAYLA: Oh.
SARAH: They asked, they had questions in the discord.
KAYLA: Oh, slay! Welcome back to the podcast, Taco Cat. This is from November of 2024. Okay, so yesterday, which was November 24th, 2024.
SARAH: Great.
KAYLA: Okay. So, on November 24th of 2024, Taco Cat's mom picked them up from college after their last football game performance. And they got their COVID and flu shots earlier, so, they were sore and took a nap. I get woken up by my mom asking for my help because there was a pigeon in the garage and they didn't know what to do. I was obviously just like, “uh, what?” She said she picked it up with a towel and that it wasn't really moving. So, she put it in my cat's carrier and brought it inside where it's warm, but now she has no idea what to do.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: I come downstairs and ask my mom to get me gloves so I can check it over. I'm going to graduate with a bachelor's in animal science in less than a month and a half.
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SARAH: Relevant. Congrats on graduation, Taco Cat.
KAYLA: Congrats! You did it. So, I've handled birds before and can generally tell if there are obvious injuries.
SARAH: Pigeons yearn to be domesticated.
KAYLA: They do.
SARAH: I mean, they've basically already have been.
KAYLA: Well, they were, and then we let them go and that's the problem.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I picked it up and it looked okay, just a bit lethargic and cold. It started to perk up as it got warmer. It had a leg band and was obviously domestic. So, we looked it up and found an organization to email. My mom also talked with the local bird rehabilitator to instruct what we can do and post it on Facebook and our local next door. We brought it up to my bathroom and I gave it a few sips of water. My mom thinks it probably got in the garage two days ago when her and my sister were shoveling snow. Two days are a long time for a bird to go without food, so, we started planning for my mom to run to the store. It was around then while I was watching it that I noticed it had lice.
SARAH: Oh no.
KAYLA: Which triggered an immediate panic reaction from my mom who doesn't really like bugs. Yeah, and also it's lice, that fucking sucks.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I explained that bird lice cannot infect humans or transmit diseases, which only slightly helped. Oh, okay.
SARAH: Taco Cat, you're so knowledgeable. You are the right person for this. I understand now why you were woken up from a dead sleep to deal with this.
KAYLA: Yeah. Healthy birds do not have severe lice like that, so I knew it might be sick. While my mom was debating what to do with it, I remembered that a family down the street has birds that I saw once in their shed turned coop in their backyard, but I assumed they were chickens. I decided to go ask them first. I rang the doorbell and waited until I heard someone shout, “who's there?” from a second-floor window.
SARAH: Taco Cat, you're so brave.
KAYLA: Why are they at a second-floor window?
SARAH: Also, it feels like it's 1935.
KAYLA: Yeah, it does. I asked if they owned birds and he said he did. He told me to wait while he came downstairs to answer the door. I showed him the picture and asked if it was his and told him it flew in our garage. He said yes, so I told him I'd go back and bring it to him.
SARAH: Oh.
KAYLA: I did so and got it out of the crate when he answered the door again. I was planning to mention the lice, although he didn't know much English, so I don't know if you would understand, but he just said, “the baby,” thanked me and took it with one hand and walked back inside before I could say anything.
SARAH: “The baby.”
KAYLA: Now my mom is frantically washing and vacuuming every surface the crate touched and is throwing out the towel that was in the crate, which now has both lice and poop on it, but thankfully it's the one of the old towels we use for our dogs. The end.
SARAH: “The baby.”
KAYLA: “The baby.” He loves his birds, I love that.
SARAH: I'm glad that the pigeon found its home.
KAYLA: I love that.
SARAH: “The Baby.” I often, upon seeing my cat go, “a baby.” And so, I imagine that's exactly what this man did.
KAYLA: I say that to my cats all the time, so.
SARAH: Because they're baby.
KAYLA: They are baby.
SARAH: That poor bird got out away from home, was lost and scared and covered in lice.
KAYLA: Yeah. I wonder, like, how did it get… did it have lice before? How fast can a bird get lice?
SARAH: I don't know.
KAYLA: It seems not good. Okay. This one is from Parker (silly little guy) He/Him.
SARAH: Mm, okay.
KAYLA: So, before I realized I was aro-ace, I dated this guy, Ian, that I worked with. And looking back, there are so many signs about me being aro-ace and just not into the relationship. My top favorites are: One, when we went out to dinner on Valentine's day and I started mixing the food on my plate and just messing with random objects while he talked about his family, I think he thought I wasn't paying attention, and he asked if I was okay, and without thinking, I said, “yeah, just bored.” I watched this man go through the five stages of grief while I repeatedly apologized.
SARAH: Quick question, Parker, do you have a splash of the tism?
KAYLA: “Yeah, just bored. Just bored.”
SARAH: “Just bored.”
KAYLA: Two, he showed me the Dungeons and Dragons player guidebook, and since I really didn't know what D and D was, I proceeded to do nothing, but aggressively read said guidebook. Ian then attempted to get me to cuddle him, which I then responded with, “I'd rather read about the dungeons. Thanks.”
SARAH: Oh my God.
KAYLA: Three, the absolute worst one of the bunch, I assumed since I didn't really have feelings for him that I must be a lesbian and had to break up with him. And how did I break up with him? By texting him at work, literally across the room, I texted, “Hey, so I think I like girls. Sorry.” And then proceeded to leave and not speak to him again.
SARAH: Even at work?
KAYLA: Yeah, that's… like, did you quit?
SARAH: Did you like… like, that's the opposite of quiet quitting, that's like loud breaking up.
KAYLA: Loud.
SARAH: But quietly, but loudly.
KAYLA: Yeah. And then he says, “so yeah, even if you're hearing this somehow. Sorry, my bad.”
SARAH: “My bad.”
KAYLA: “My bad.” How long do you think they were dating?
SARAH: Three months.
KAYLA: Three months?
SARAH: No, that's too long, I don't think it was that long.
KAYLA: Because that's my thing. Like, texting to break up while in the same room at work is like, tough. No matter what.
SARAH: It’s tough, yeah.
KAYLA: But the longer you date, the worse that is.
SARAH: Right.
KAYLA: That is some aro-ace shit.
SARAH: It really is. I was trying to go to the Discord to see if I could find any evidence that Parker has a splash of the tism, but I had to offload Discord when I was at a concert because my phone ran out of room, and now my phone is malfunctioning and it is neither offloaded nor downloaded. So, I can't check.
KAYLA: How would Discord tell you that information anyway?
SARAH: When I go to click on it, do you see it? It's just dark.
KAYLA: Oh, no more Discord for you.
SARAH: And I tried to click on it and nothing happened. So that's why I went to see if it was offloaded and then it was just infinitely spinning.
KAYLA: Just spinning.
SARAH: Anyway.
KAYLA: I don't think Discord would have helped you with that anyway.
SARAH: I don't think so either. But you know, it was... I had a dream, you know?
KAYLA: Right.
SARAH: I had a dream.
KAYLA: Yeah. Okay, let me find one, the last one.
SARAH: One lore more, another lore for the pod. Just one more lore for our listeners. Will it be about sod? Kentucky bluegrass giving you blisters.
KAYLA: What?
SARAH: I don't know how grass would give you blisters.
KAYLA: Okay, this is from C.
SARAH: C.
KAYLA: She/her.
SARAH: Like the letter?
KAYLA: Yeah. I, 20 F… Oh, this was only from May.
SARAH: So, you might still be 20 F. Wow.
KAYLA: Okay, I, 20 F saw my friend E 19 F. Would you like to give E a name?
SARAH: Emelianayana.
KAYLA: No
SARAH: No, that's just Mariana
KAYLA: It's also too much.
SARAH: I added a yana because Emelia is too similar to my sister's name. Eloise.
KAYLA: Eloise. Okay, I, 20 F saw my friend Eloise 19 F on March 19th when I came home for spring break. And she told me about B.
SARAH: Spring break in… oh, March. You said March, I heard May.
KAYLA: March. B 23? M. Shall this be Bartholomew again?
SARAH: No, we need to give him a different name, this is Barry.
KAYLA: Barry. Okay…
SARAH: Which could be a nickname for Bartholomew.
KAYLA: I suppose. She told me about Barry 23? M, a friend she met online three years ago that she was planning to meet in person for the first time that weekend.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: Then I didn't hear from her until I called her April 29th, right after her 20th birthday.
SARAH: Okay, sorry. Is this like a friend from home?
KAYLA: I assume so.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: I think so.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: On that call, she told me that one, Barry came and visited her again for her birthday. Okay, so that's the second time they would have met in person. Two, she and Barry are dating now after discovering they both liked each other for two-plus years. Three, they've essentially been acting like long distance partners for the last year and a half and having conversations about the future. Four, they're thinking of getting married maybe as soon as the summer, so that's this summer where we are right now.
SARAH: They could be married as we speak.
KAYLA: Could be. And she'll move out to Missouri where he's from within a year.
SARAH: Where do you live? Where does she live now?
KAYLA: Well, C told me this and said, “Kayla, if Sarah wants to guess where this is taking place, we're both from…” and told me where, so.
SARAH: Oh, but there aren't any like real clues yet.
KAYLA: Yeah, and I don't know that there really will be other than she would move to Missouri where he's from. So, they're not from Missouri.
SARAH: It seems like that's like a fairly significant move, I'm getting East Coast vibes, my heart says Virginia.
KAYLA: Okay.
SARAH: Where are they from?
KAYLA: Well, I'm not going to tell you till we finish, you might want to change your answer.
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SARAH: Okay, fine, I might want to change my answer, fine.
KAYLA: And finally, five, she wants me to be a witness to their courthouse marriage this summer because they want to get married legally soon and have a wedding and reception in a few years after they've saved up.
SARAH: Okay. Okay. Sorry. Okay. So, this is your friend from home.
KAYLA: I assume so.
SARAH: Yes. I was stating that as a statement, not a question. I understand what it's like to be in college and have friends from home who like you see whenever you're home and you catch each other up on your lives, but you don't necessarily talk to each other every day when you're away at school.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Even if you're at the same school as each other, which is an experience I had.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But if you are the person she wants to be the witness at her courthouse wedding, does she not have other friends? Why you? You didn't speak to her for a month, she didn't tell you that she was dating this man until you reached out to her like around her birthday.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Also, she didn't tell you that she had basically been dating this man before she met him. Like, did we know the extent of their relationship? Like, had we heard about Barry before?
KAYLA: I would guess that she had maybe heard of Barry as a friend, but did not know the extent, is the vibe I'm getting.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: Or maybe hadn't even heard of him at all, I don't know. Oh, it'll tell us at the end actually.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: Okay. So, they want to get legally married soon and then have a proper wedding in a few years, whatever. Also, she doesn't want to tell her parents that they're getting legally married yet because they've only met twice. And even though they feel like they've been dating for a year-plus, Eloise thinks they'll think it's too sudden and cut her off or try to talk her out of it.
SARAH: Well, yeah.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I learned all of this over the course of a half an hour. So, I was pretty shocked and we ended up talking for another two hours or so. Cut to May 4th, so, this is a couple of days later, when I go home for the weekend again and run into her at church, where she tells me that now they're planning to have their courthouse wedding, May 15th, less than two weeks away, for tax reasons.
SARAH: Hold on. Are they Mormon? Are we in Utah?
KAYLA: No, we're not.
SARAH: Okay. That just would have changed everything, but okay. Continue.
KAYLA: So less than two weeks away for tax reasons so she could get more financial aid to finish school. And so, when she moves down there, clue
SARAH: Down there
KAYLA: At the beginning of fall, they'll be about to start living together as a married couple right away.
SARAH: Hold on
KAYLA: So, now I guess I'm coming up to witness her get married in less than two weeks to a man I learned existed less than two months ago. So, she did not know he existed before the original time in March when she heard about them meeting for the first time.
SARAH: Oh boy. And you agreed to do it, OP?
KAYLA: It seems that way.
SARAH: Okay. It's probably not Virginia because that coming down, you wouldn't come down from Virginia, I just checked a map just to be sure, they're basically equal latitudinal, I think latitude is the one that goes that way, it's like the rungs of a ladder. But then to be fair, I talk about going down anywhere, I talk about that for anything just because I'm from Michigan and so most things are down.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: But I live now in Southern California and most things are up, but I still say going down.
KAYLA: Where the fuck is Missouri?
SARAH: It's in the middle, it's next to Illinois.
KAYLA: Ah, interesting. Okay. All right. What is your guess?
SARAH: Then my brain said Maine or like a Minnesota/Wisconsin situation.
KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: Where are we from?
KAYLA: Western Washington.
SARAH: Mm
KAYLA: So, it is down.
SARAH: It is down.
KAYLA: Most things are down.
SARAH: But it's further away than...
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Because I was... The reason I felt it was East Coast was because it felt like Missouri was far but drivable.
KAYLA: No.
SARAH: But this seems like a multi-day drive.
KAYLA: Yes, this would be a cross-country endeavor.
SARAH: That would be two days to do that.
KAYLA: How is she not going to tell her parents though?
SARAH: I don't know. Does she... I mean... Wait, so, she's going to move to Missouri and not tell... She's going to tell them that she's moving but not that she's married to the guy that she's moving with?
KAYLA: I guess
SARAH: She'll tell them that she's moving in with this guy but just not that they're married?
KAYLA: I guess. So, it seems like she's graduating college or she graduated? They're 20. When do you graduate? How old are you? No, she wouldn't be done with college.
SARAH: Not usually, no.
KAYLA: Oh, but to finish school. So, she can get more financial aid to finish school. And so, when she moves down there at the beginning of fall they'll start living together as a married couple. But I feel like she should have a year left of school.
SARAH: Yeah, I'm confused about that, is she going to an online school? One of the ones that defrauds you?
KAYLA: But it seems like she can't live far from where they grew up.
SARAH: Right.
KAYLA: Because they're both home all the time.
SARAH: And then I was like, well, maybe her school, like, where she goes to school is in Missouri but then why hadn't she met him earlier if she went to school in or near Missouri?
KAYLA: Maybe she's going to community college.
SARAH: Maybe.
KAYLA: Because that can be shorter.
SARAH: But then it wouldn't be an issue about the financial aid or the financial thing
KAYLA: Yeah, that's true. It is correct that if you're married in college it helps with financial aid.
SARAH: Yeah.
KAYLA: I've heard stories of people getting married to friends in college to help pay for it. I have to hear an update on that one too, I've got to know about that. C, if you still listen, it has only been a couple months so hopefully you're still with us.
SARAH: I'm going to call you Cecilia…
KAYLA: Cecilia
SARAH: Unless that's your real name, in which case let me know and I'll call you something else.
KAYLA: I have no idea what her real name is, so.
SARAH: Cecilia
KAYLA: Yeah, I have got to get an update on that.
SARAH: Yeah, did they get married?
KAYLA: Did they get married? Are they divorced yet? What's happening?
SARAH: Okay, great. Kayla, what's our poll for this week?
KAYLA: Who should... What name? Who should Yana be dating?
SARAH: Aaron or Bartholomew?
KAYLA: Or neither.
SARAH: Or neither. Or Svetlana.
KAYLA: Or... Oh, now this is interesting, now this is interesting.
SARAH: I've just thrown in a curveball.
KAYLA: Oh wait, Svetlana is aro-ace, they don't...
SARAH: Ah, fuck.
KAYLA: They don't want that.
SARAH: Well, Svetlana could still want to date as an aro-ace.
KAYLA: That's true. That's true. I would not recommend that Svetlana dates Yana.
SARAH: Yeah, I don't...
KAYLA: It seems like Yana needs to get her shit together, I don't think she should be dating right now at all, maybe, perhaps.
SARAH: Super fair. Super, super fair. Great. If any of you say Bartholomew, you need to fucking explain yourself. Why?
KAYLA: I think the options should be Aaron, Bartholomew, neither, or both
SARAH: Or both. Now here's the thing, it sounds to me like I don't think Aaron is in a place where he would be able to have a healthy poly relationship
KAYLA: No
SARAH: Because I don't think he would feel that he would be able to share Yana.
KAYLA: I also think if Yana is already worried about what people are going to think about her for having multiple crushes, then this maybe is not a high school that would be kind to poly relationships.
SARAH: Yeah, that's super fair.
KAYLA: But we'll have it as an option on the list.
SARAH: Yeah, sure. Let us know, let us know, everyone. And please, Cecilia, as I've so deemed you… I'm picking some kind of like old fashioned names this week.
KAYLA: Yeah, that’s true
SARAH: I guess Aaron. Well, Aaron Burr, that has been around.
KAYLA: It has been around.
SARAH: Anyway, great. Kayla, what's your beef and your juice for this week?
KAYLA: My beef is that I like to eat a bagel and we keep our bagels frozen because they keep better. But we buy our bagels from Costco and so they are not pre-cut.
SARAH: Oh.
KAYLA: And even though I tell Dean, “why don't we cut them before we freeze them?” He, for some reason, thinks that's not the thing to do. So, they remain uncut, at least this batch is.
SARAH: So, what do you do?
KAYLA: And here's where the beef comes in, it's the last two times I've eaten a bagel, I have attempted to cut it frozen.
SARAH: You can't do that.
KAYLA: Right. And so, I cut my finger two times
SARAH: Okay, one time when my mom was like a teenager, my grandma was showing her an example of how not to cut a bagel.
KAYLA: Ugh
SARAH: And then she cut herself and they had to go to the hospital.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And my mom learned the lesson that that's how you don't cut a bagel.
KAYLA: I have not had to make any hospital trips, but I keep cutting it in like… the first one was like in my finger joint.
SARAH: Mm.
KAYLA: And then this one was on my thumb knuckle, so, just like really bad places
SARAH: Really tough places, yeah.
KAYLA: The thing I should do is put the bagel in the toaster for a little bit to get less frozen.
SARAH: It fits? You mean a toaster oven?
KAYLA: Yeah, like a toaster oven.
SARAH: I was like, “how does it fit?”
KAYLA: To thaw it a little bit. And then we have one of those like bagel slicer things.
SARAH: You're fancy.
KAYLA: It was my friend's and she was getting rid of it. So, I was like, “I'll take it.” But it's like the ones we had in the dining hall in school, like those white ones, remember those?
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SARAH: I think so. I think I recall.
KAYLA: Either way, I only have it because my friend didn't want it anymore and I was like, “fuck, sure.” But it doesn't work very well, if the bagel is completely unfrozen, it just squishes them and then if it's too frozen, it can't get them, so, it… whatever.
SARAH: It has got to be the exact amount of slightly thawed.
KAYLA: Yeah. So anyway, that's… my finger hurts. My juice is ‘The Subway’ by Chappell Roan.
SARAH: It's a banger. It reminds me… the two songs it reminds me of are ‘Dreams’ by The Cranberries.
KAYLA: Yes.
SARAH: And the other one… Fuck, what was it?
KAYLA: There's a way… I forget what word it is, there's a way she says one specific word that is so Cranberries. What? A bug!
SARAH: Not ‘Dreams’ by The Cranberries, I was thinking of ‘Linger’ by The Cranberries, but still the Cranberries. And ‘Spring Street’ by Dar Williams.
KAYLA: Oh
SARAH: Those are the two that it gives to me.
KAYLA: I don't know if I know that one. But there is one lyric, like the way she sings
SARAH: ‘Dreams’ is by Fleetwood Mac, I confused myself. Wait, no. The Cranberries do have a song called ‘Dreams.’ Wait.
KAYLA: Yeah, they do.
SARAH: I'm listening to it, I need to make sure, I need to know what it is.
KAYLA: Okay. While Sarah listens to it, the way she says, “and it's not...”
SARAH: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that one.
KAYLA: The way she says, “it's not over…” the way she says, “over,” she sings it like The Cranberries.
SARAH: Mm. “I’m moving to Saskatchewan.”
KAYLA: The music video, slaps.
SARAH: I haven't seen the music video.
KAYLA: Aaaah, what are you doing? I sat Dean on the couch last night, and it was like, ‘pay attention, look at this.”
SARAH: I love that for you.
KAYLA: Such a good music video.
SARAH: I can't believe now that ‘Dreams’ is not on my playlist by The Cranberries, I just added it.
KAYLA: Have you ever watched Derry Girls?
SARAH: No.
KAYLA: Well, it's set in...
SARAH: Derry.
KAYLA: Yeah, Derry, duh. But it's like during the 90s or...
SARAH: Yeah. 80s?
KAYLA: What? I think 90s. Early 90s? Whatever. It's whenever those songs by The Cranberries were coming out. And they use a lot of period-accurate music, and so, they have ‘Dreams’ and ‘Linger’ in some of the episodes, it gets you real good.
SARAH: Because I remember when I was trying to think of the song ‘Linger,’ I looked up Cranberries in my Everything playlist, and the only song that came up was ‘Linger.’ And so, I'm like, “why don't I have Dreams?”
KAYLA: Dreams is so good, it is so good.
SARAH: It's a banger. Yeah. Okay. That was your juice, your beef was your bagel thing?
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: Okay.
KAYLA: I'm done now.
SARAH: My juice, over the weekend, I went to two things, I went to KCON.
KAYLA: Aww
SARAH: And I saw Ho, which is two of the members of Seventeen. I saw Key, Contra Supreme, Mother, and he announced he's touring supposedly this year. But when? Like touring the United States. Like when? I'm going to so many concerts this year…
KAYLA: You are, that’s true
SARAH: I bought more concert tickets yesterday, I'm going to Tacoma.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: I've never been to Washington.
KAYLA: Uh, I don't think I have either.
SARAH: You know who has?
KAYLA: C?
SARAH: Yep. So, I went to KCON and I saw a bunch of other artists, including the rookie group that everyone hates, if you know, you know. I saw Kep1er. I saw Hwasa, my queen, my icon.
KAYLA: None of these mean anything to me.
SARAH: It was a good time. But the night before I saw ‘Jesus Christ Superstar’ at the Hollywood bowl.
KAYLA: I’m so jealous.
SARAH: Starring Cynthia Erivo as Jesus, Adam Lambert as Judas, Phillipa Soo as Mary Magdalene and we thought we were going to get John Stamos as the king.
KAYLA: Who'd you get?
SARAH: Josh Gad
KAYLA: Ah, yeah.
SARAH: So, Josh Gad was originally announced, but he got COVID last week.
KAYLA: Ah
SARAH: And so, he was like, “sorry guys.” And so, on Friday night… so, they needed to replace him with like another big name, so, they did John Stamos, which is funny because they are very different actors.
KAYLA: They really are, very different vibes.
SARAH: And John Stamos was not at the level of the other actors as I heard.
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: So, on Saturday. I think we heard that that Josh Gad was coming back for the Sunday show, but we assumed that he was not coming back for the Saturday show. It turns out, I had never seen ‘Jesus Christ Superstar,’ I didn't really know that much about it, the king only has one song, like, he only shows up for one song and that's it.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: The whole thing is sung through and he's only in one song.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: And so, when he showed up and they like, they did a very dramatic reveal and everyone was like, “Josh Gad!?” We were in the third to last row.
KAYLA: Yeah. Do you think they'll release a pro shot?
SARAH: I don't know. I think they're releasing a soundtrack, but.
KAYLA: Oh, that's good too, I'll take that.
SARAH: But it was very good, the performances were very good. Cynthia Erivo kicks ass. Gay Jesus and Mary Magdalene with Phillipa Soo kicks ass. Cynthia Erivo is so short that she only comes up to Adam Lambert's shoulder.
KAYLA: She's tiny.
SARAH: And so, whenever Jesus was standing next to Judas, Jesus looked like a child.
KAYLA: Well, she's also just like so petite.
SARAH: She’s petite.
KAYLA: And Adam Lambert is always wearing like big boots and like jackets.
SARAH: Yeah. He had like strong shoulders on his jacket and…
KAYLA: Yeah
SARAH: They were both just belting their faces off.
KAYLA: Yeah.
SARAH: So that was fun, it was a good time. That's my beef and my juice. You can tell us about your beef, your juice, your thoughts on the matchup between ‘Dreams’ by the Cranberries and ‘Dreams’ by Fleetwood Mac on our social media @soundsfakepod. We also have a Patreon, patreon.com/soundsfakepod if you'd like to support us there. Our $5 patrons who we are promoting this week are Lindsay, Mark Cornick, Mary S., Mel McMeans, and Meredith. Our $10 patrons who are promoting something this week are: Johanna who would like to promote being kind to one another. Kayla's dad who would like to promote JandiCreations.com. Maff who would like to promote the Don't Should sweatshirt and Martin Chiesl who would like to promote his podcast Everyone’s Special and No One Is. Our other… that was wrong, I accidentally changed the color of the text instead of the color of the highlight. Our other $10 patrons are Purple Hayes, Quartertone, Barefoot Backpacker, SongOStorm, Val, Alastor, Ani, Arcnes, Benjamin Ybarra, Clare Olsen, Derick & Carissa, Elle Bitter, Eric and my aunt Jeannie. Our $15 patrons are: Ace who would like to promote the writer Crystal Scherer. Nathaniel White, NathanielJWhiteDesigns.com. Kayla’s Aunt Nina who would like to promote katemaggartart.com and Schnell who would like to promote accepting that everyone is different and that's awesome. Our $20 patrons are Dragonfly, my mom and River and they would like to promote not being old and falling. If you're going to be old, don't fall. Thanks for listening…
KAYLA: And if you're gonna fall, don't be old.
SARAH: Right, right. And there's a middle point where they cross, and that's middle age.
KAYLA: Yep, and that's why they call it that.
SARAH: And that's when you know, yeah. So, if you feel that you're at the point where you shouldn't fall or be old… Wait, that doesn't work.
KAYLA: Mm
SARAH: Thanks for listening, tune in next Sunday for more of us in your ears.
KAYLA: And until then, take good care of your cows.
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